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anglagard
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Message 785 of 4573 (807689)
05-04-2017 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by marc9000
05-04-2017 8:12 PM


Re: Total healthcare spending in other countries less than government alone pays here.
marc9000 writes:

That echo chamber is the Constitution. It's not a socialist document, it's just not.

I just read the Constitution for the umpteenth time before this post (it's not that hard since it can fit on a single large page) and I would argue it is not particularly a capitalist document either (except for condoning slavery).

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Message 1159 of 4573 (818316)
08-26-2017 7:59 PM


What a Long Strange Trip it's Been
Here is what I think of neo-Nazi sympathizer and early onset Alzheimer classic case Trump and Neo-liberal (Republican platform enabler) Clinton:

Today I joined the Democratic Socialists of America.

And to think I was the Socorro County Chair for the Libertarian Party 28 years ago.

Live and learn. Feel the Bern.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

  
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Message 1198 of 4573 (819281)
09-08-2017 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1193 by riVeRraT
09-07-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Bernie Sanders on The Late Show
riVerRat writes:

I agree with about 70% of what Sanders says. But that other 30% is way off, enough to destroy America.

I for one would be very interested in more elaboration on exactly what Sanders said that would "destroy America" in your opinion.


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Message 1297 of 4573 (821409)
10-07-2017 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1290 by LamarkNewAge
10-06-2017 2:14 PM


Re: This Jill Stein stuff and Nader in 2000. Bad math all over again.
LamarkNewAge writes:

Stein might have cost Hillary Michigan, but not the national race. And there wouldn't have been a real difference in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and especially Ohio (it always amazed me how people could claim Nader cost Gore Ohio when Bush won 50% to 46% in that state, and Nader only got about 3%, so it will amaze me that Trumps 51% to 42% Ohio 2016 win was "because of that evil Jill Stein.

Instead of whining and blaming any electoral losses on third parties, perhaps the Democrats just might consider upping their game. Instead of saying what any opponents are about, the electorate needs to hear what you are about. Additionally, it is best proven by deeds, not empty platitudes.

Also, I think these computer based voting machines need far deeper scrutiny. I think a paper trail should be mandatory as Republicans only give a shit about winning, not democracy or ethics. They are certainly not above rigging elections.


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Message 1304 of 4573 (821514)
10-08-2017 6:14 PM
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10-08-2017 12:47 AM


Time for Civics and History Lessons
Rrhain writes:

Exactly what part of "she won" are you having trouble with?

Try the simple fact that she did not win to start with. Otherwise she would be the President, not Trump.

Your post stating Hilary Clinton won the election is false.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with who controls Presidential elections. This part of the Constitution is still in force but is amended so I will post both in their entirety:

quote:
Article II (Article 2 - Executive)
Section 1

1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

3: The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.8

4: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.


The relevant amedment:

quote:
[Article XII] (Amendment 12 - Election of President)

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.14 —The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.


Just in case, like Faith, you refuse to read or perhaps don't understand what you read, it means the following:

The President is chose by a majority vote of the Electoral College, not the majority votes by individuals.

That is the law, that is the reality.

Why are you the only person here, despite national origin, unable to understand this?

There is also a procedure for amending the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College, something that is in that very document I quoted and even provided an example of, something Democrats may want to consider as part of "upping their game" but I will save that for later should I deem it necessary.

They fielded one of the most qualified candidates in history who was in step with the majority of the country on most every policy and that candidate proceeded to actually win the election with the second largest number of votes in history.

She did not win the election, as I said that is a false statement due to the laws quoted above. While Clinton may have been the most qualified, that does not necessarily mean she won.

Here are the facts concerning the 2016 election:

Trump Clinton

Electoral vote 304 227
States carried 30 + ME-02 20 + DC
Popular vote 62,984,825 65,853,516
Percentage 46.1% 48.2%

270 Electoral votes needed to win.

Exactly what "game" is there that needed to be "upped"? And exactly how would that be achieved?

Simple answer, the game and what needs to be upped is "winning elections." I already offered two ways on how that can be achieved in my previous post, namely run for something instead of running against someone and demanding a paper trail on computer voting machines.

Here are some more:

1) Local politics must not be ignored. During the Obama Presidency:

quote:
At the beginning of Obama’s term, Democrats controlled 59 percent of state legislatures, while now they control only 31 percent, the lowest percentage for the party since the turn of the 20th century. They held 29 governor’s offices and now have only 16, the party’s lowest number since 1920.

source

The DNC needs to either do a better job of organizing and funding at the state and local level. If they only want to disenfranchise Sander;s voters, then replace them.

2) Get involved. As a member of the DSA, i am involved in volunteer actions with other groups just to make our brand more visible rather than sitting on my ass whining about third parties.

3) Fight for the majority of the voters, not just rich donors. Don't do stupid crap like speak to Goldman-Sacks for big money without releasing the transcripts because it makes you look like you have something to hide.

4) Take positions the majority supports, make sure they know it, and hammer that nail relentlessly. Clinton lost because she ran against Trump and not for her progressive policies.

5) Tell the truth, be open, no taint of scandal. I think this principle should be self-evident.

That's just a start, more to come. This post is already too long.

By this logic, the Supreme Court shouldn't be looking at gerrymandering in Wisconsin because the Democrats should "up their game," right? I mean when Republicans win less than 50% of the vote but take more than 60% of the seats in the legislature, that simply means *Democrats* need to change their tactics, right?

Did they win or not? If not, then they may want to consider "upping their game" instead of whining or pointing fingers at their natural allies. Also I'll take help where I can get it, be it the Supreme Court, the LBGTQ community, or the undocumented.

Also, I did what many did in the last election, I held my nose and voted for Clinton, despite misgivings, due to the fact Trump is a mentally challenged corrupt narcissist who is not qualified to be without supervision, be it due to criminal or mental health issues.

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anglagard
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Message 1307 of 4573 (821529)
10-08-2017 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1305 by Percy
10-08-2017 8:10 PM


First Time for Everything aka Defending Myself Against People I Admire
Percy writes:

That was one of the longer "not getting the point" posts I've ever read. It's a safe bet Rrhain understands everything you decided to lecture him on, and it's a safe bet you know he understands it, so what a waste of time.

Rrhain treated me as an idiot and stated a falsehood in doing so,
doing so knowingly just makes it worse. Was pointing out that obvious falsehood wrong? In who's book?

Concerning your relevant points, I don't think upping their game is bad advice for the Democrats, but I think it misses the most important point. The Democrats used to be the party of the common man, but now they're the party of the elite. That they own certain important issues is helpful, like clean environment and climate and LGBT and diversity and so forth, but these are elite issues, not "your average guy" issues. For people worried about employment and American culture and living standards the Democrats are the exact wrong party, and that has to change.

To me that is part of what I meant by upping one's game. I agree and have done so with my posting history, but in my words, not yours. Also, some worries about "American culture" such as blatant racism is negative and it is incumbent on anyone who cares to change those parts. As to the rest, well, that is what I'm doing instead of desperately trying to score brownie points against me by impugning my person.

By the way I actually admire Rrhain and I don't know what I did to make him feel I am somehow an enemy or a dolt. But that seems to be what he wants to do and I obviously disagree.


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anglagard
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Message 2105 of 4573 (835479)
06-23-2018 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2104 by Percy
06-23-2018 7:44 AM


Re: No Nobel for you!
Percy writes:

No Nobel for you, Donald Trump! In fact, what you should get is the liar of the century award. I know it's early in the 21st century, but who could imagine anyone topping your performance.

Instead of a Nobel this is what I think Donald Trump deserves:

Thousands of felony convictions to be served consecutively for fraud related to Trump University, and any other business deals where it is easily ascertained he defrauded investors and violated contracts withholding payment for services rendered.

I figure the cumulative sentence for his felonies should warrant at least a 5 digit term or even something over 100,000 years.

And I know a place which would be perfect for him to serve the remainder of his life - namely the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado. If there are no vacancies just send Ted Kazinski to Atascadero Mental Hospital where he can teach the schizophrenics math and be somewhat useful to society while Trump can rot since he is about as welcome to all life on this planet as the blubonic plague (except of course for the bacterium that causes the plague in the first place).

His family and cronies need to be investigated and if warranted, be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Well, they haven't taken away my dreams yet.


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Message 2107 of 4573 (835537)
06-24-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2106 by Percy
06-24-2018 8:54 AM


Givimg Credit Where Credit is Due
Percy writes:

Shaming is another tool, and we saw it in action on Tuesday when Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was loudly jeered while dining at a Mexican restaurant, prompting her to leave. And an insult was hurled at Stephen Miller while he was dining at a different Mexican restaurant last Sunday. A congressional intern yelled "Fuck You" at Trump as he walked through the Capitol Rotunda.

The first action was done by the Metro DC DSA, the second, by members of CREDO Action, the third .

To my knowledge the only news outlet to give proper credit to the organizations responsible was, of all outlets, The Washington Times.

Yeah, that's right - the Moonie paper.

I sent them a thank you note.

And so while we still live in a free country I think we should employ shunning and shaming as two arrows in our quiver of options for opposing Trump.

That's how the Lakota raised their kids without the slightest hint of physical violence.

Excellent advice.


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Message 2108 of 4573 (835546)
06-24-2018 3:04 PM


I Just Sent This email to the Office of Justin Trudeau
quote:
On behalf of the people of the United States of America I want to apologize to you personally and to the people of the truly great nation of Canada for the behavior of our demented, abusive, and utterly ignorant President.

My daughter, my friends, and I are doing everything possible to remove this plague upon the world and bring him to justice.

Please bear with us in our struggle, we are your best friends, as you are ours, and once this curse is removed from power along with his cronies, I know in my heart we shall never again forget the eternal friendship that the great people and nation of Canada have never forgotten.

The beacon on the hill is for now, beyond our northern border.

Please be patient with the childish antics of our amateurish, less better half. The better angels of our true nature will soon overpower them.

Best wishes,our greatest friends

William Luis Kincade

Proud to be a member of the following:

Permian Basin Democratic Socialists of America (not speaking for the hemisphere, still working on that tough nut to crack, any suggestions?)

314 Action (Yeah Science!)

P.S. Congrats for legalizing, your a good man Trudeau, and right now the world needs many more of your awesome moral character.


Know the guy is busy but still hope he reads it in the spirit in which it is intended.

So, does anyone around here know some other email addresses for world leaders? Just off the top of my head I would also like to apologize to Angela Merkel and Theresa May. Oh, and I want to find the biggest pile of cow shit ever for a pic to send to Putin.

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Message 2118 of 4573 (835710)
06-28-2018 9:49 PM


The Difference Between a Winner and a Loser
Campaign slogans:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of Us

Hillary Clinton: I'm with Her (Originally was going to be "It's Her Turn.")

See the difference?

P.S. - great fun to watch conservatives go apoplectic the last few days.


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Message 2156 of 4573 (836287)
07-13-2018 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2150 by Coragyps
07-10-2018 11:06 AM


Re: U.S. Shenanigans in the WHO
Coragyps writes:

What the hell have we become?

40% Putin's whores, 50% Severe Anxiety, 5% Opioid addicts, 5% French Revolution version 2.0.

Vive la France!

P.S. - I hope the CIA is monitoring that unsupervised meeting on Monday twixt textbook early onset dementia and his handler in Helsinki in case he provides the nuclear codes in exchange for a Trump tower.


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Message 3032 of 4573 (857506)
07-08-2019 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
01-08-2017 2:55 PM


Of fools and liars
Faith writes:

Certainly. Nations must be ruled by Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law on behalf of those who believe in Him. He teaches forgiveness of sinners, He addresses individuals for salvation.

Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament.

You have broken the conditions of my non-interference with all this blatant hypocrisy..

So what do Evangelicals stand for?

Apparently they support Trump and therefore support the Prince of Lies.
They support theft through the worship of billionaires despite what Jesus said about camels and needles. Prosperity Gospel is a pyramid scheme.
They support adultery, forcible rape, and child molestation as evidenced by support for Trump and his buddies, 22 accusations and counting.
They usurp the prerogative of God by declaring themselves saved.
They ignore the beatitudes, the parable of the sheep and goats, and pretty much everything Jesus ever said that does not include declaring themselves saved.
They support the murder of immigrant children as a precursor of Operation Reinhardt.

You worship a false god.

Don't worry, the Democratic Socialists are here to feed the poor, heal the sick, and comfort the afflicted, as is our sacred duty.

Bye, bye evangelicals. Millennials can spot a phony.

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Edited by anglagard, : Mispelled r hypocrisy


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Message 3788 of 4573 (874309)
03-28-2020 9:00 PM


Root Cause of Virus Outbreaks and Related Economic Depressions
It is not just Donald Trump, it is also his Juche sycophants. Since day one they have declared war against both science and nature. By doing so, they have compromised our safety and destroyed the world economy.

Looks like science and nature always wins in the end, the only questions remaining are when will the war stop and how many had to sacrifice their lives.

Edited by anglagard, : Preferred original sentence due to excessive alliteration.


Death is only the end if you assume the story is about you. - Night Vale podcast

  
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Message 3863 of 4573 (875459)
04-26-2020 6:26 PM


Good Night and Good Luck
quote:
It was 1881, and German chancellor Otto von Bismarck had a serious socialist problem. He’d passed the Anti-Socialist Law of 1878, which banned Social Democratic meetings, associations and newspapers, but he couldn’t remove the party outright from the Reichstag. The socialists still found favor with too many constituents.

The political climate of the era was a result of German unification, the period stretching across the 19th century and culminating in 1871, when 26 small states, principalities, duchies and territories formed the German Empire. But thanks to the German constitution, Bismarck didn’t have to worry about pleasing the populace; his chancellorship was approved solely by Wilhelm I. But with the European economy in free fall, a nearly successful assassination attempt on the kaiser, and a short-lived but bloody socialist uprising in France, Bismarck was determined to undermine a party that he saw as a danger to the volatile new nation state. So the Iron Chancellor came up with a masterful plan: beat the socialists at their own game by offering health insurance to the working class.


source

Is anyone running to the left of Bismarck? Oh well, at least he killed Coronavirus on time.

Edited by anglagard, : clumsy sentence


Death is only the end if you assume the story is about you. - Night Vale podcast

  
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Message 4517 of 4573 (883751)
01-09-2021 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 4513 by nwr
01-09-2021 3:39 PM


Re: Missing Faith.
I for one, do NOT miss Faith, and your link serves as a reminder as to why.

The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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