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Message 5 of 4573 (796816)
01-04-2017 10:04 PM


May you live in interesting times
I wonder if Trump will even get to the Presidency, thanks to the endless efforts by the Democrats to sabotage him. Now Obama is trying to start a war with Russia, which I suppose he hopes will become Trump's problem Either that or create a national emergency that will give a reason for him to remain in office. He's just moved troops near the Russian border.

All this is based on the fake news that Russia interfered with our election. First it was how they hacked our voting machines, which happens to have been an impossibility. Now it's that they are behind the leaks of Democrats' emails which supposedly had the effect of giving Trump the edge in the election. (It's still likely that Trump won the popular vote despite the propaganda, because there was definitely election tempering that favored Hillary by the millions).

abe; Oh the biggest fake news of all I forgot to mention: that the Russians tried to sabotage the power grid in Vermont that powers the whole East Coast. Now I can't remember if it was this or the election fake news that's prompted the sabre-rattling by Obama. /abe

Julian Assange of Wikileaks has said clearly that there is absolutely no evidence that the Russians have had anything to do with any of this. There are rumors that there was definitely interference but not by Russia and that we'll eventually get to hear about it, but I'm wondering when. In any case Obama and the Democrats love their fake news so much they are trying to start a war over it. So far Putin has been acting rationally, apparently understanding what Obama is plotting, and wanting to wait to deal with Trump.

I don't know what is going to happen but I've prayed a lot more these last few weeks over the volatile political situation we're in than I've ever prayed in my life over any political national or world event.

Some people are saying we are blessed to be living in such interesting times. I get the idea but it's hard for me to share it. Old Chinese Curse: May you live in interesting times. These times are WAY too interesting for me.

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Message 8 of 4573 (796826)
01-05-2017 5:35 AM
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01-05-2017 2:01 AM


Re: Is this really representative of how conservatives think?
Which part of this news have you failed to hear because your ears are glued to the fake news sources of the MSM?

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Message 14 of 4573 (796856)
01-05-2017 2:18 PM
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01-05-2017 2:06 PM


Re: quick counterpoint
Not from Russia.

abe: The word "hacking" unfortunately implies the internet. The machines are not connected to the internet. The internet is the only way they could be hacked from Russia. They are, however, hackable from a central computer, not the internet, but a central computer on a network with the machines. The data from the machines comes into this central computer which can then manipulate it to give different results. Even this network is limited, as I understand it, connecting a limited number of voting machines. But something like this is what Bev Harris was talking about, not internet hacking.

I'm no tech wizard to put it mildly, so all I'm saying is the best I could do with what I got out of Harriis' presentation. There's no point in discussing it further here and I wouldn't have much more to contribute if the topic got moved to another thread either, but if anyone wants to conytinue it, it would have to be moved.

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Message 17 of 4573 (796877)
01-06-2017 8:04 AM
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01-06-2017 6:51 AM


Re: Don't Cross Trump
Sounds to me like a negative version of an attitude that could be presented more positively -- that is, it sounds like he's determined to put his own vision of things into effect, which is what got him elected, instead of caving in to opinions that oppose his, which would alienate his supporters. Certainly there is a point where a determined vision could devolve into irrational willfulness, but I haven't seen a reason to conclude that from what you've said.

Not being up on his tweeted messages, I have to wonder exactly what "gets angry" looks like in reality, and "threatens."


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Message 23 of 4573 (796899)
01-07-2017 8:52 AM
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01-07-2017 8:33 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
The man isn't in office yet, we've seen no specific plans for how this wall is to be constructed, which areas it will occupy etc., and yet you are denouncing some imaginary plans in your own head as if they are his?

And of course pretending that the wall would be eeping out "immigrants" instead of ililegals.

Truly this is upside-down thinking.

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Message 25 of 4573 (796902)
01-07-2017 9:09 AM
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01-07-2017 8:59 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
The Jar-Percy Imaginary Wall Design is mildly entertaining at best. Perhaps you could get yourself appointed to Trump's Wall Advisory team.

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Message 28 of 4573 (796906)
01-07-2017 9:26 AM
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01-07-2017 9:13 AM


Re: The Trump Wall
You did indeed imply that the illegals are immigrants that the country needs. Perhaps it isn;t what you meant but that is what you said.

I'd leave it to Trump's advisors to plan the Rio Grande portion of the wall, or whatever other form of dealing with the illegals they come up with for that area. This debunkery is premature.


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Message 29 of 4573 (796907)
01-07-2017 9:26 AM
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01-07-2017 9:16 AM


CRe: The Trump Wall
China made good use of the concept.

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Message 37 of 4573 (796927)
01-07-2017 6:45 PM


How many poor people are there in this world who might benefit from living in America where they'd get sophisticated care of many kinds? A few billion? How's about we pay to transport that many here then? There won't be room or services for us citizens of course, or any money left, but we should be content that we've benefitted so many others. It's all the same principle. And we can move to Mexico or Africa or India or Tibet.

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Message 39 of 4573 (796931)
01-07-2017 7:52 PM
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01-07-2017 7:45 PM


Jesus did not talk to nations, only individuals. He did have common sense, which it is painfully obvious Leftists do not.

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Message 44 of 4573 (796954)
01-08-2017 2:55 PM
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01-08-2017 2:05 PM


Jesus did not talk to nations, only individuals.

Is this consistent with your stance on capital punishment?

Certainly. Nations must be ruled by Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law on behalf of those who believe in Him. He teaches forgiveness of sinners, He addresses individuals for salvation.

Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament.

He did have common sense, which it is painfully obvious Leftists do not.

Oooh. Good one.

Thank you. I thought it was quite apt.

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Message 45 of 4573 (796955)
01-08-2017 3:01 PM
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01-08-2017 8:38 AM


Aren't you discriminating against the poor Africans and Mongols and Indians who would also seek a better life if they happened to live next to the American border? Isn't discrimination against a class of people against the American dream?

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Message 46 of 4573 (796956)
01-08-2017 3:03 PM
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01-08-2017 8:49 AM


It is "We the people" that establish government and determine what it should do.

That is such a nonsequtur I may not get the cramp out of my neck for days.

What ARE you talking about?

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Message 47 of 4573 (796958)
01-08-2017 3:17 PM
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01-08-2017 12:38 PM


I believe that the Religious Right defines that as secular humanism. At least that's what they defined "secular humanism" to be since the 1980's.

Actually, secular humanism was supplanted by Postmodernism, which is now pretty much supplanted by out and out paganism. Which would you care to apply to the question of how a nation should be governed?

Nations are generally governed by laws and Jesus didn't bring Laws, He brought salvation to individuals. That was my point. You can of course choose whatever laws you want, even make Jesus the author of laws although He wasn't. Perverse humanity can do anything it wants, and in fact has been making perverse laws in America for decades, maybe going on a century by now. More pagan by the hour too.

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Message 50 of 4573 (796963)
01-08-2017 3:51 PM
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01-08-2017 3:42 PM


The cramp is becoming a pretzel. I may soon need to be hospitalized.

Saved individuals are capable of applying laws to a nation.


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