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dronestar
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Message 1291 of 4573 (821392)
10-06-2017 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1221 by RAZD
09-30-2017 3:26 PM


Re: People who voted for Hillary were tricked, and we are all paying for it
RAZD writes:
You don't get change voting for the lesser evil, you just get evil or lesser (slower) evil (but still evil), and eventually you end up in the same place.
Absolutely correct RAZD.
If you'll allow me to connect the dots, yet again . . .
Martin Luther King said:
quote:
I can’t in good conscience fight violence at home if I don’t stand up to my own government, which is the greatest purveyor of violence around the world.
If one counts all the various programs and expenses related to the U.S. military such as Overseas Contingency Operations, National Nuclear Security Administration, and Department of Homeland Security, America’s annual military budget is actually closer to $1.6 trillion rather than the roughly $700 billion the media dutifully reports. Astonishingly, this true amount is comparable to half the world’s military expenditures.
At this point, who doesn't know this stuff? Only ignorant fellow Amerikans?
Amerikan 'proud' senators just recently voted for the National Defense Authorization Act that will increase military spending by an additional $81 billion. Over an additional billion dollars of the increase will go toward strengthening foreign militaries, mostly human-rights violator, Israel.
Amerika is the largest seller of small arms weapons in the world. Amerikan weapons engorge the middlle east, literally with blood, instability, and guns. How can that area not be awash with imbalanced violence?
In exchange for "contributions," then SOS Hillary Clinton made sure the worst misogynist country in the world, Saudi Arabia, received over a $100 Billion in military weapons. The Saudis use it now to murder innocent Yemen woman and children.
Hillary is a fanatical war hawk and unconvicted war criminal (yes, EXACTLY like Adolph Hitler), you've read my other posts filled with countless more examples. I'm not gonna re-post them here.
Because Amerika endlessly funds war, and its war industries benefit from endless wars and violence of ALL sorts, the amerikan voter has become enured to this insane criminality. As a result, Amerikans pretend to be disturbed by violent gun deaths as the recent one in Vegas, but in action . . .
. . . when our senators vote for additional military spending, the typical Amerikan response is, "let's just keep voting the same sociapathic people (Hillary) into office."
I have absolutely no doubt with Hillary as president, Amerika would keep expanding its military, keep expanding its wars. And atrocities like the recent one in Vegas will momentarily shock, and then surely continue, . . . larger quantities of victims, more often.
So when people write:
quote:
People who voted for Jill Stein were tricked, and we are all paying for it
They show grand apathy and ignorance.
Are not Iraqi's paying for Hillary's criminal invasion based on lies? A MILLION murders? Do they not count because they are dark skinned? They are not the correct religion?
The people of Lebanon? Honduras? Saudi Arabia? Bahrain? Yeman? Morocco? Afghanistan? Liby? Syria? Gaza/Palestine? Egypt? Aren't they paying for Hillary's actions and support of violent dictatorships? Again, does the dark skin render them sub-human, non-human so they aren't counted?
And about all the terrorism that has been incited and spread by the immoral Iraqi invasion? The innocent people who are attacked in London, France, etc, don't they also suffer and pay from Hillary's actions?
And the USA? Vegas? Virginia Tech in Blacksburg? Sandy Hook Elementary School? Umpqua Community College near Roseburg? Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston? Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs? Etc., Etc., Etc.
Don't they also pay for Hillary's passion and escalation and NORMALIZATION of world violence?
If one really, REALLY, found the recent Vegas shooting atrocity repugnant, then one wouldn't want more of the same from one's representatives. As MLKing said, we don't stand against domestic violence by supporting world violence.
So pro-Hillary supporters, what part of Martin Luther King's words don't you understand?

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dronestar
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Message 1372 of 4573 (822059)
10-18-2017 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1371 by Stile
10-18-2017 9:41 AM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Stile writes:
It's not hard to understand that they also refuse to vote Democratic this past election because the policies/direction of the Democratic party is responsible for destroying their ability to provide for their family.
Allow me to slightly reword:
quote:
It's not hard to understand that they also refuse to vote Democratic this past election because the policies/direction of the Democratic party is responsible for destroying their family.
For example, a family of an American soldier who died in the illegal and immoral Iraqi invasion that Hillary fully authorized, cheerled, and repeatedly funded.
Yeah, SOME people might be upset about that.
Regarding the million innocent Iraqis who were murdered, well Amerikans don't consider that statistic because, afterall, they are dark-skinned, and the wrong religion. So obviously, that shouldn't effect anybody's voting preference.
Edited by dronestar, : No reason given.

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dronestar
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Message 1387 of 4573 (822118)
10-19-2017 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1375 by Taq
10-18-2017 5:41 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Interesting Taq.
The part of my message that referred to the disregarded dark-skinned Iraqis, who continue to suffer silently and invisibly in the corporate media from Hillary’s criminal actions, . . . you specifically disregarded.
Interesting.
And I am so sorry to irritate you with my harping (I tire of it too). I sincerely wish there wasn’t someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read every post in the thread. Gosh, it has to be a million times more annoying then those dark-skinned Iraqis who continue to suffer silently and invisibly in the corporate media from Hillary’s criminal actions.
Am I right Taq? Yeah, you know it, high fives!
Lastly, as distraught (virtually emotionally destroyed) as I am about keeping on about it, it does seem apparent, evidenced by the forum’s on-going threads and amerika’s authors and book buying consumers, that some unfortunates may have missed my supposedly "dead-horse" message:
quote:
Hillary Clinton's 'What Happened' sees big sales in its first week
Hillary Clinton's 'What Happened' sees big sales in its first week
Edited by dronestar, : clarity

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dronestar
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Message 1389 of 4573 (822122)
10-19-2017 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1386 by Percy
10-19-2017 1:34 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Percy writes:
Putting a madman's finger on the nuclear button is precisely why 2016 was the wrong year to cast a protest vote.
You're right Percy!
Putting Trump's finger on the button MIGHT easily be a million times more worse than what ACTUALLY happenED to a million dark-skinned Iraqis from Hillary's finger on the button.
Looking at the pictures below, the comparison to what you envision Trump MAY do, . . . well there is no comparison, even the kids below would be dancing for a Hillary victory, . . . if they had legs.
So yes, you sold me Percy, . . .
Given the choice between Stein, Hitler, and somebody worse than Hitler, . . . I would enthusiastically choose Hitler.
Kudos Percy.
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dronestar
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Message 1394 of 4573 (822162)
10-20-2017 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1390 by Percy
10-19-2017 5:46 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Percy writes:
I think you need to go back on your meds.
*Chuckle*
Sayth the man who is mortified to be exposed as a person who supports a war criminal who horrifically targeted dark-skinned children, and now needs to desperately evade from further debate via a cheap ad hominem attack.
In addition to the war crime of using phosphorus weapons on civilians, Hillary should also be charged with torture, the use of cluster bombs, unproportional use of military power against a civilian presence and the collective punishment of civilians, especially in Fulujah, and using depleted uranium weapons that continues to cause birth defects in Iraq.
ALL of these crimes are contained within the SUPREME crime of aggression: the invasion of Iraq which Hillary authorized . . .
According to the Nueremberg laws:
quote:
In the wording of the Nuremberg Tribunal, aggression is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole all the evil in the tortured land of Iraq that flowed from the US-UK invasion, for example.
https://chomsky.info/20060509/
Hillary’s authorization for the criminal invasion of Iraq, championing and recruiting other senators to join her, and repeatingly funding the illegal and immoral invasion AFTER it had been confirmed there were NEVER any WMD shows she is CLEARLY responsible for ALL the evil that followed from her authorizing the criminal invasion of Iraq.
In Falujah . . .
quote:
US military destroyed 36,000 homes, 9,000 shops, 65 mosques, 60 schools, both train stations, one of the two bridges, two power stations, three water treatment plants and the city’s entire sanitation and telephone systems.
Home | Paramount
quote:
The IRC estimates that at least 60% of the people killed in the assault of Fallujah are women, children and elderly.
Home | Paramount
quote:
The U.S. government has now admitted its troops used white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon against Iraqis during the assault on Fallujah a year ago. Chemical weapons experts say such attacks are in violation of international law banning the use of chemical weapons.
Pentagon Reverses Position and Admits U.S. Troops Used White Phosphorus Against Iraqis in Fallujah | Democracy Now!
quote:
Phosphorus weapons
On November 9, 2005 the Italian state-run broadcaster Radiotelevisione Italiana S.p.A. aired a documentary titled Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre, alleging that the United States used white phosphorus as a weapon in Fallujah causing insurgents and civilians to be killed or injured by chemical burns. The filmmakers further claimed that the United States used incendiary MK-77 bombs in violation of Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. According to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, quoted in the documentary, white phosphorus is permitted for use as an illumination device and as a weapon with regard to heat energy, but not permitted as an offensive weapon with regard to its toxic chemical properties.[14][15] The documentary also included footage which purported to be of white phosphorus being fired from helicopters over Fallujah. It also quoted journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who had been in Fallujah, as a testimony.[16]
On November 15, 2005, U.S. Department of Defense spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable confirmed to the BBC that white phosphorus had been used as an incendiary anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah. Venable stated "When you have enemy forces that are in covered positions that your high explosive artillery rounds are not having an impact on and you wish to get them out of those positions, one technique is to fire a white phosphorus round into the position because the combined effects of the fire and smoke - and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that you can kill them with high explosives."[17][18]
On November 16, 2005, BBC News reported that an article published in the March—April 2005 issue of Field Artillery, a U.S. Army magazine, noted that white phosphorus had been used during the battle. According to the article written by a captain, a first lieutenant, and a sergeant, "WP [White Phosphorus] proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes where we could not get effects on them with HE [High Explosives]. We fired "shake and bake" missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out."[14] BBC News noted that the article had been discovered by bloggers after the US ambassador in London, Robert Holmes Tuttle, stated that US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons.[14]
White phosphorus munitions - Wikipedia
Hillary Clinton is not only unqualified to be president of the use, but as an unconvicted war criminal (like Hitler) she is also unqualified to be a human being.
As I wrote:
Given the three voting choices of Stein, Hitler Hillary, and something possably worse than Hitler Hillary, Percy has repeatedly argued that the second option, the war criminal that horrifically targeted dark-skinned children Hitler Hillary, was the BEST choice.
Percy, unlike the children in Iraq, I trust you sleep well at night.
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dronestar
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Message 1397 of 4573 (822174)
10-20-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1396 by ringo
10-20-2017 1:24 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
ring writes:
Your kind of thinking is what causes war crimes.
ring writes:
not Hitler,
Oh dear, a defender of Hitler is calling me names. I feel so shamed.
Regardless, I'd still rather be an asshole than a war criminal that had fanatically murdered masses of children. Or one of the war criminal supporters.
Apparently, you think differently. Thanks for sharing.

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dronestar
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Message 1417 of 4573 (822352)
10-23-2017 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1399 by Percy
10-20-2017 5:26 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Percy writes:
What you're doing isn't normal behavior.
Absolutely true Percy.
It is NOT normal behavior for amerikans to be truthful and honest by labeling their leaders as war criminals.
On the other hand, it IS normal amerikan behavior, not to mention much easier and less painful on the ol’ racist mindset, to disregard facts and evidence, such as Hillary’s criminal actions that led to the violent deaths of dark-skinned Iraqi children. Yes-Sir-Eee, when confronted with uncomfortable facts, it is NORMAL amerikan behavior to declare fake news, use an ad hominem attack, and then quickly move on.
Thanks for demonstrating normal amerikan behavior.
But perhaps if I provide better/more evidence, maybe then my argument will sway you?
After all, all amerikans are open-minded and quick to change their minds when confronted with horrible truths, right? Just look at the way all amerikans got on board the theory of climate change once the facts were known . . .
OH HA HA, . . . (Dronestar wiping tears of hilarity from his eyes), I slay myself.
Okay, okay . . . I’ll try anyway Percy . . .
_______
In addition to the war crime of using phosphorus weapons on civilians, Hillary should also be charged with torture, the use of cluster bombs, unproportional use of military power against a civilian presence and the collective punishment of civilians, especially in Fulujah, and using DEPLETED URANIUM weapons that continues to cause birth defects in Iraq.
ALL of these crimes are contained within the SUPREME crime of aggression: the invasion of Iraq which Hillary authorized . . .
According to the Nuremberg laws:
quote:
In the wording of the Nuremberg Tribunal, aggression is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole all the evil in the tortured land of Iraq that flowed from the US-UK invasion, for example.
https://chomsky.info/20060509/
Hillary’s authorization for the criminal invasion of Iraq, championing and recruiting other senators to join her, and repeatingly funding the illegal and immoral invasion AFTER it had been confirmed there were NEVER any WMD shows she is CLEARLY responsible for ALL the evil that followed from her authorizing the criminal invasion of Iraq.
______
Use of DEPLETED URANIUM:
quote:
Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure because, in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal,[7] although less toxic than other heavy metals, such as arsenic and mercury.[73] It is weakly radioactive but is 'persistently' so because of its long half-life. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry states that: "to be exposed to radiation from uranium, you have to eat, drink, or breathe it, or get it on your skin."[74] If DU particles do enter an individual, the type of danger presentedtoxic vs. radiologicaland the organ most likely to be affected depend on the solubility of the particles.[75]
Since 2001, medical personnel at the Basra hospital in southern Iraq have reported a sharp increase in the incidence of child leukemia and genetic malformation among babies born in the decade following the Gulf War.
Depleted uranium - Wikipedia
quote:
US forces fired depleted uranium (DU) weapons at civilian areas and troops in Iraq in breach of official advice meant to prevent unnecessary suffering in conflicts, a report has found.
This conflicts with legal advice from the US Air Force in 1975 suggesting that DU weapons should only be used against hard targets like tanks and armoured vehicles, the report says. This advice, designed to comply with international law by minimising deaths and injuries to urban populations and troops, was largely ignored by US forces, it argues.
More than 300,000 DU rounds are estimated to have been fired during the 2003 Iraq war, the vast majority by US forces. A small fraction were from UK tanks, the coordinates for which were provided to the UN Environment Programme. A further 782,414 DU rounds are believed to have been fired during the earlier conflict in 1991, mostly by US forces.
The Democratic congressman, Jim McDermott, is now urging the US Department of Defence to publish all its DU firing coordinates. "These weapons have had terrible health ramifications for Iraqi civilians," he said. "The least the US could do is provide the specific targeting data so the Iraqi government can begin the complex clean-up process."
US fired depleted uranium at civilian areas in 2003 Iraq war, report finds | Iraq | The Guardian
Use of depleted uranium weapons that continues to cause birth defects:
quote:
Today, 14.7 percent of Fallujah’s babies are born with birth defects, 14 times the documented rate in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fallujah’s babies have also experienced heart defects 13 times the European rate and nervous system defects 33 times that of Europe.That comes on top of a 12-fold rise in childhood cancer rates since 2004.
Iraqi Birth Defects Are Much Worse Than Hiroshima |
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quote:
Brian Schweitzer, the former Democratic governor of Montana and a potential rival to Clinton in 2016, took a not-so-subtle jab at the former Secretary of State and senator from New York. Schweitzer seemed to suggest that, without citing names, anyone who voted for the Iraq War was still, more than eleven years out from that controversial vote, disqualified from holding the office of the president.
http://nationalinterest.org/...q-war-vote-still-matters-9737
Indeed.
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As I wrote:
Given the three voting choices of Stein, Hitler Hillary, and something possably worse than Hitler Hillary, Percy has repeatedly argued that the second option, the war criminal that horrifically targeted dark-skinned children, Hitler Hillary was the BEST choice.
When considering the tortured dark-skinned Iraqi children (abnormal behavior according to Percy), I could hardly agree.
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dronestar
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Message 1418 of 4573 (822354)
10-23-2017 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1407 by ringo
10-21-2017 11:41 AM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Ring writes:
Yes, Hitler was human. His dog liked him.
Wow.
Well, that certainly convinced me. If a GERMAN Shephard can like and respect Hitler, how can I possibly argue otherwise?

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dronestar
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Message 1421 of 4573 (822359)
10-23-2017 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1420 by Taq
10-23-2017 2:56 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Drone writes:
And I am so sorry to irritate you with my harping (I tire of it too). I sincerely wish there wasn’t someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read every post in the thread. Gosh, it has to be a million times more annoying then those dark-skinned Iraqis who continue to suffer silently and invisibly in the corporate media from Hillary’s criminal actions.
Taq writes:
If your motto is "more cowbell this time", you should probably find a new topic to rant on.
And I am so sorry to irritate you with my harping (I tire of it too). I sincerely wish there wasn’t someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read every post in the thread. Gosh, it has to be a million times more annoying then those dark-skinned Iraqis who continue to suffer silently and invisibly in the corporate media from Hillary’s criminal actions.

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dronestar
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Message 1423 of 4573 (822363)
10-23-2017 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1422 by Percy
10-23-2017 3:42 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Percy writes:
I think you're still forgetting to take your meds.
Perhaps.
But here's something I won't forget or sweep under the carpet . . . Hillary’s criminal actions that led to the torture and violent deaths of dark-skinned Iraqi children.
Coming tomorrow, watch for my post about Hillary Clinton and the indiscriminate use of Cluster Bombs.
With all new photos!

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Message 1426 of 4573 (822368)
10-23-2017 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1424 by 1.61803
10-23-2017 4:25 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
1.6 writes:
at least do thumbnails so we can skim past.
I am so sorry to irritate you with my harping (I tire of it too).
It sounds like you would prefer not to think or know about the consequences of Hillary's criminal actions.
Join the club.

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Message 1427 of 4573 (822369)
10-23-2017 5:24 PM
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10-23-2017 4:42 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Taq writes:
I am often morbidly entertained by watching people display their psychological problems in public, sort of like being transfixed while watching a dumpster fire.
I think the term for someone who enjoys watching people in crisis and dumpster fires is called a 'sociopath.'
Thanks for sharing.

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dronestar
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Message 1441 of 4573 (822421)
10-24-2017 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1430 by Percy
10-23-2017 5:52 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Thank you for the respectful request.
Please see my post in the Moderation Link.

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Message 1442 of 4573 (822422)
10-24-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1429 by Taq
10-23-2017 5:43 PM


Re: A valid reason to vote 3rd Party
Taq writes:
No need to be irritated. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to read my posts.
That was weird.
I get it that you desperately want to burn me by using my own words against me (like I easily did to you).
But since the last words I directed toward you were thanks for sharing, it is therefore rather non-sensical to use my words: No need to be irritated. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to read my posts against me.

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