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herebedragons
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Message 10 of 4573 (796838)
01-05-2017 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
01-04-2017 10:04 PM


Re: May you live in interesting times
Every topic you post on makes it seem as if you live in an alternate universe...

Now Obama is trying to start a war with Russia, which I suppose he hopes will become Trump's problem Either that or create a national emergency that will give a reason for him to remain in office. He's just moved troops near the Russian border.

This troop deployment began back in October in response to Russia making threatening gestures towards Lithuania and other NATO allies in the region. Russia is the aggressor (remember Crimea and the Ukraine? and more recently Syria?) and it seems they have it in their minds to expand the regions under their control. This troop deployment is a statement by the US that we will stand by our allies and defend them if necessary.

Don't get me wrong, the US is not an innocent, we are making power plays of our own. But this has nothing to do with Obama trying to start a war so he can remain in office. That is just crazy conspiracy theory nonsense. The transition of the presidency will happen on Jan 20th regardless of what is going on in Lithuania. It is less than 2 weeks away... this certainly won't escalate that quickly. No one (including the devil himself - Obama) wants a war with Russia... it's a war we can't win - and neither can they.

So far Putin has been acting rationally, apparently understanding what Obama is plotting, and wanting to wait to deal with Trump.

Putin acting rationally? Again, what alternate universe do you live in? Putin certainly IS waiting to deal with Trump because he knows he will get a much warmer reception and will have a much freer hand to do as he wishes. I guess that is rational... but not in a good way.

I don't know what is going to happen but I've prayed a lot more these last few weeks over the volatile political situation we're in than I've ever prayed in my life over any political national or world event.

There is no doubt that we are living in very scary times. But it boggles my mind that you think Trump is our national savior. I get it that you think he was a better choice than Hillary, I get that. But to heap so much praise on the man, and to think that he is going to rescue the US from all evil - that he is a gift from God, just blows my mind. The man is a loose cannon, he just cannot restrain himself from shooting off at the mouth. He is surrounding himself with rich and powerful men just like himself. His promise to "drain the swamp" is empty. Keep in mind that lobbying goes both ways - that is, there are lobbyists on both sides of many issues (ex. there are lobbyists that lobby in favor of relaxing environmental regulations and there are those that lobby in favor of increasing environmental regulations). What Trump appears to be doing is removing the voices of those that oppose him and simply surrounding himself with those that agree with him. Scary, scary, scary.

I predict that we will see some increased prosperity under a Trump administration, but I fear what that prosperity will cost us.

Some people are saying we are blessed to be living in such interesting times. I get the idea but it's hard for me to share it. Old Chinese Curse: May you live in interesting times. These times are WAY too interesting for me.

I concur with this sentiment. I think our world politics could use a bit more boring and mundane. But, don't think for a second, though, that your man Trump is into boring and mundane.

ABE: Per Percy's request here are some related news articles

US troops will head to Poland - July, 2016

US troops heading to front of new Cold War with Putin - Oct, 2016

US sends special forces to RUSSIAN BORDER as Nato is poised to strike back against Vladimir Putin’s ‘aggression’ - Jan, 2017

HBD

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Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 58 of 4573 (796984)
01-09-2017 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by jar
01-08-2017 9:11 PM


Re: POTUS vs Trump Inc.
While we may not know the details of this separation, what we do know is that it will be great... in fact it will the greatest separation between the POTUS and his personal holdings that has ever been... It will be so great of a plan... unbelievably great...you've never seen anything like it... you are gonna be so amazed at how great a plan it is.

HBD (holding my breath)


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 128 of 4573 (797421)
01-20-2017 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Percy
01-20-2017 7:06 AM


Re: The First Day of the Next Four Years
Start another unnecessary war.

How do you see this playing out? My fear is that he will take a more separationist approach; that he will want to be less involved in troubles throughout the world - particularly with Russian aggression, North Korea's nuclear threat, and Iran's nuclear deal. I fear he will take a more hands off approach to these problems - which may very well lead to conflict, just that we may not be as involved. So, what types of "unnecessary wars" do you see him starting?

Reduce taxes on the rich.

More than direct tax cuts for the rich, I fear he will roll back regulations on banking and corporations, creating an environment that is ripe for the rape of the middle and lower classes and will eventually leave us vulnerable to another economic recession. His ideas seem to be very much trickle-down economics although he has not used that term that I know of.

The rest of your list matches my concerns rather well. I would move environmental issues much higher on the list (although I don't get the sense that your list was ordered by importance). I said this before that I expect we will see some economic growth as a result of Trump's policies, but they will come with a very high cost, one which will be the environment - Trump is definitely an advocate of externalization. I fear how much Trump "prosperity" will cost us in the long run.

I would also add that I am concerned about his ideas for slashing government spending. Although I am in favor of reducing the government deficit, reducing the size of the federal government and shifting more of the responsibilities to the states, I am deeply concerned about the areas he will be cutting. I fear these cuts will be such that it directly benefits corporate America and leaves the average citizens vulnerable.

It's a scary time...

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 223 of 4573 (797913)
01-29-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Percy
01-29-2017 9:12 AM


Re: The Week That Was
did I forget anything?

How about when he tweeted that if Chicago didn't fix their crime problem he wold send in the Feds.

That statement deeply disturbed me. Later someone on his staff said he meant he would send federal help, but that is certainly not the tone of his tweet. His statement was threatening and suggestive of a police state solution. *shivers*

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 249 of 4573 (798136)
01-31-2017 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by jar
01-31-2017 9:24 AM


Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
The other upside: Rosie O'Donnell and Miley Cyrus have vowed to leave the country if Trump became president. Good riddance...

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 250 of 4573 (798137)
01-31-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by RAZD
01-31-2017 9:35 AM


Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
I don't know RAZD... I feel like there is a huge wedge being driven between Americans and the people are being forced to choose either far left or far right. There just seems to be no room for moderates anymore, only extremes - one or the other...

So there may be uniting of the left and uniting of the right, but no uniting of the two. We are being driven into two separate nations to a level I don't believe has been seen since the 1860's. Let's hope and pray it doesn't go much farther...

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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