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Theodoric
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Message 3342 of 4573 (863588)
09-27-2019 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3340 by Taq
09-27-2019 11:24 AM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
But once he is out of office he can be charged at the state level even if a future President pardons him.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3344 of 4573 (863592)
09-27-2019 3:52 PM
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09-27-2019 3:27 PM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
That is the fear. He will try to institute that. The GOP may support him that endeavor.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3366 of 4573 (863956)
10-03-2019 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 3364 by Pressie
10-03-2019 9:10 AM


Re: Interesting USA Today Poll
I noticed a fairly strong chinese presence hear in South Africa. The guesthouse we are staying at seems to be owned by a chinese company. In Zambia, Botswana and Zimbabwe there seemed to be a lot of Chinese signs and tradenames also.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3481 of 4573 (864706)
10-15-2019 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3474 by ICANT
10-14-2019 11:46 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
But I am familiar with heavy equipment that requires a lot of fuel to be able to move and do work.
I guess you are unaware that the construction industry is already working on that.
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This article is two years old so I am sure a lot has happened since then.
https://www.hitachicm.com/...-powered-construction-machinery
OTR truck manufacturers are all over it too.
Peterbilt becomes latest truck maker to work on all-electric class 8 truck to compete with Tesla Semi | Electrek
China, and Japan is building them all the time.
And they are welcome to invest in the most expensive way to produce electricity. That doesn't mean the US should do the same. Renewables and renewables with storage are now cheaper than coal. Those are the facts.
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The report suggested that, in 74 percent of cases, building new wind and solar capacity would be cheaper than maintaining the existing coal plant.
Clean energy rapidly becoming cheaper than fossil fuels: ‘pure economics’
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Today, for two-thirds of the world, renewables are cheaper than a significant amount of carbon-based energy, so it isn’t just an argument of environment, it’s now just pure economics, Milken told CNBC at the Milken Institute Asia Summit in Singapore.
https://www.cnbc.com/...t-effective-says-michael-milken.html
You were saying?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3502 of 4573 (864769)
10-16-2019 1:05 PM
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10-16-2019 1:57 AM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
I operated an electric earth mover in 1958. The electricity was produced by a diesel engine.
Don't you think technology and needs have changed drastically in the last 60 years? Now days it is more efficient to run electric cables for even dragline excavators. The biggest dragline excavator in the world was powered by electric cables.
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Big Muskie was powered by electricity supplied at 13,800 volts via a trailing cable, which had its own transporter/coiling units to move it. The electricity powered the main drives, eighteen 1,000 horsepower (750 kW) and ten 625 horsepower (466 kW) DC electric motors. Some systems in Big Muskie were electro-hydraulic, but the main drives were all electric.
Big Muskie - Wikipedia
If and when the renewable energy gets cheaper than fossil fuels they will be producing more than 12% of the worlds electricity.
So your mantra is "Don't confuse me with the facts , my mind is made up".
I provided you multiple sources saying that renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuel, but you would rather revel in your ignorance. Are you capable of reading even basic information and digesting what it says?
Your data on renewables is old. Non fossil fuel electricity production is 26% for the whole world.
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The reason renewable is only at 26% is becuase fossil has a bit of a head start and they get huge amounts of subsidies. Renewable is soaring with very limited subsidies. It is much cheaper when you take into account all of the subsidies the fossil fuel industry enjoys.
I know facts are an uncomfortable thing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3514 of 4573 (864836)
10-17-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3513 by Percy
10-17-2019 1:51 PM


Re: The Ukraine Crimes
No one's this thick.
ICANT self proclaims that he is. As would, seemingly, the vast majority of dumpster fire's supporters and that includes all of the GOP Reps and Senators.
So a lot of self proclaimed thick people out there.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3531 of 4573 (865618)
10-28-2019 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3528 by Percy
10-27-2019 2:22 PM


Re: American Raid Kills ISIS Leader
donnie betrayed the kurds and has total betrayed our national interests. He wants to take credit for something he almost totally screwed up. He deserves no praise only condemnation. I am not sure how our military is functioning effectively, but as they are, it is a huge compliment to the strength, professionalism and effectiveness of our military that they are.
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Think about that: the Iraqi and Syrian Kurds provided intelligence that directly led to the whereabouts of al-Bahgdadi and even loaned a facility to practice the raid. They did this as Trump was stabbing them in the back and insulting them. Trump had forgotten that it was the Peshmerga who achieved full territorial victory against ISISsomething he had recently promised he’d never forget.
Military officials admit Trump almost ruined the Al-Baghdadi raid - Alternet.org

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3602 of 4573 (867438)
11-25-2019 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 3601 by RAZD
11-25-2019 10:32 AM


Re: #MadCow Nunes in trouble
Though I agree this is huge, I really would like to see some corroboration. Lev is not the most reputable source there is. Once more news organizations start reporting this I will be more confident in its legitimacy.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3610 of 4573 (867534)
11-27-2019 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 3608 by RAZD
11-27-2019 8:44 AM


Re: Giuliani is underbussed
My understanding is that once you have discussed something on TV it no longer is privileged information.
If the subject has been publicly discussed that can and should constitute waiving of attorney/client privilege. Also, there is the crime-fraud exception to attorney client privilege. I think they fall squarely under that.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3635 of 4573 (867865)
12-04-2019 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3634 by Percy
12-04-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Democrats Should Accept Advice of Republican Witness
Jonathan Turley has become a bit of a rightwing nut job. He clamed multiple times that Obama exceeded his authority a number of times. Even when courts did not agree with Turley.
Turley thinks Clinton lying about getting a blowjob is much more of a threat to our Democracy than anything Trump has done.
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But that same Jonathan Turley had a very different position on impeaching a sitting president when that president was a Democrat. Professor Turley, in a statement written November 9, 1998, declared that impeaching President Bill Clinton was necessary to literally protect the existence of the government, and to prevent contempt for law and anarchy.
Mr. Turley's actual writing at time of Clinton impeachment.
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In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker; it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.
The allegations against President Clinton go to the very heart of the legitimacy of his office and the integrity of the political system. As an individual, a president may seek spiritual redemption in the company of friends and family. Constitutional redemption, however, is found only in the company of representatives of all three branches in the well of the Senate. It is there that legitimacy, once recklessly lost, can be regained by a president.
The guy is nothing more than a right wing hack. Dishonest and partisan.
GOP's legal expert insists Clinton had to be impeached to protect the 'existence of government' and prevent 'anarchy' - Alternet.org
To address this specifics of your issues you posted. There is a tweet for that.
Edited by Theodoric, : name spelling
Edited by Theodoric, : source

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3642 of 4573 (867944)
12-05-2019 9:09 AM
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12-04-2019 6:54 PM


No need to listen to Turley concern trolling
All you have to do is read his arguments for Clinton impeachment and his arguments against anything Obama did and compare them to his arguments for Trump. Turley marketed himself as a civil libertarian for years, but he truly means civil libertys that support white privilege. Us true civil libertarians gave up on him decades ago.
He is the definition of a partisan hack.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3643 of 4573 (867947)
12-05-2019 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 3640 by Percy
12-05-2019 7:43 AM


Re: Revisiting the "Getting Rich on Politics" Subtopic
Agreed.
I am hoping that people will start seeing Obama as the grifter he has become. He has no moral voice any more. He can not ethically be a leader of the Democratic Party. He has made rumblings that he will endorse someone to blunt the progressive wing of the party. The party apparatchiks must be removed from power and the votes of the people used to determine who the candidate is.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3733 of 4573 (869918)
01-08-2020 1:25 PM


Trump and the destruction of the evangelicals.
Asyou all know I am not a Christian, I am not a believer, so some may find it kind of rich that I am quoting a preacher. Reverend Barber speaks with a moral voice and manifests what my understanding is that Christians say they stand for.
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This misuse of religion is, sadly, an American tradition. Colonists who cheated Native Americans out of land and forced enslaved Africans to build a new nation worshiped a God whose demand for justice troubled their conscience. I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, Thomas Jefferson wrote, acknowledging the basic moral contradiction between the principle of liberty he had appealed to in the Declaration of Independence and the practice of bondage that his plantation and the economy surrounding it depended upon. This conflict did not only exist within Jefferson’s soul. It divided every major denomination of the American church in the 19th century.
When abolitionists insisted on pointing out the immorality of human bondage, plantation owners responded by paying preachers and theologians to write justifications of race-based chattel slavery. They imagined a world in which the bodies and souls of black Africans were dependent on the paternalistic supervision of white civilization. Slavery was not simply a justifiable evil. It was, according to America’s slaveholder religion, a positive good. Just as they would argue in the 20th century that segregation was best for black and white people, evangelicals for Jefferson Davis contended that slavery was as good for the souls of black Africans as it was for the pocketbook of the plantation owner.
No one who has read American history can be surprised by the hypocrisy of Evangelicals for Trump. But we can learn from the history how their undoing will inevitably come from their public arrogance. While Davis and Wallace had power, they did not have to listen to the cries of those who suffered from the injustice they used the Bible to justify. They found religious leaders who were willing to tell them lies in order to have access to their power. But the ignorance they intentionally cultivated led them to misjudge the political realities of their day. The Confederate States of America could not last. Wallace’s 1968 run for president revealed the limits of his political imagination.
Evangelicals using religion for political gain is nothing new. It is a US tradition | Reverend William Barber | The Guardian

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3775 of 4573 (872420)
02-27-2020 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3773 by jar
02-27-2020 8:21 AM


Re: Acquittal
For all practical purposes the last 2 years has made the US Constitution null and void. donnie can do anything he wants and neither the Courts or the Congress are willing to stop him. The final bulwark against tyranny will be the states. The states that rise in opposition will in actuality be the Pro-Constitution side.
I fully expect the GOP and donnie to make some sort of call for a constitutional overhaul which they will market as a revival.
A dissolution of The Republic is on the horizon. The question is how violent.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3776 of 4573 (872457)
02-27-2020 5:15 PM


Administration helping to spread the virus
This is what happens when you fire all the experts and appoint sycophants to positions of authority. We are so totally and utterly screwed.
Looks like this administration is intent in spreading the virus not containing it. Maybe it is just rank incompetence.
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Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.
The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, who is a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.
The whistleblower is seeking federal protection because she alleges she was unfairly and improperly reassigned after raising concerns about the safety of these workers to HHS officials, including those within the office of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar. She was told Feb. 19 that if she does not accept the new position in 15 days, which is March 5, she would be terminated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ees-hhs-whistleblower-says

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

  
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