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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4236 of 4573 (880515)
08-07-2020 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 4233 by PaulK
08-07-2020 12:44 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
For a start the Fourth Amendment right not to be arrested without adequate cause. Simply accusing the victims of crimes without adequate evidence as you are doing is not sufficient. In fact it’s evil.
Do you have anything specific in regards to your statement?
You may think you live in a police state but you don’t. Police authority is not unlimited. That can’t just give any orders they like and expect to be obeyed.
If its a lawful order they can.
There was no booking hearing. Are you suggesting that the police simply need to avoid that to get away with illegal detention? (The way you argue it’s quite possible you do).
A Probable Cause affidavit under oath is filed by a police officer. That affidavit is reviewed by the magistrate. If there is insufficient cause to hold a suspect, they are released. If there is sufficient reason that probable cause has been established then they remain in jail until they are bailed out or wait for their hearing.
And there’s an example. You can certainly point out that the arrest is illegal right there. That’s not a crime even if some cops would treat it as one. And there are further options later, right up to filing a civil case.
LOL, that is a crime... And unless you want to get beat up and arrested I would suggest that you fight your battles in the courtroom, not on the street.
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A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another.
(b)It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful.
(c)Except as provided in Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(d)An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the actor uses a deadly weapon to resist the arrest or search.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4237 of 4573 (880516)
08-07-2020 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 4235 by PaulK
08-07-2020 1:37 AM


Re: It’s not all outside agitators
That’s an odd thing to say when the Feds moved to other cities.
However this has nothing to do with my point that there were genuine protestors at Portland all the way through, and your assertions to the contrary were false. So I take your new allegations with a grain of salt.
Shifting the goalposts I see... You posted specifically about Portland and how wonderfully peaceful it is as soon as the Feds left. You even laid all of it at their feet as if violent riots hadn't been going on BEFORE they arrived and I'm now showing you that the violence continues AFTER they left.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4257 of 4573 (880620)
08-08-2020 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 4239 by PaulK
08-07-2020 2:18 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
And if no affidavit is filed?
Then it would be an illegal detention as it violates the Due Process clause.
Saying that the arrest is illegal is a crime? Really? Your quote says nothing about that.
You said people are allowed to resist police officers presumably because if they feel like they did nothing wrong they are allowed to resist. That's not how it works. You fight your battles in the courtroom. Fighting only ensures that you will get physically hurt and still go to jail.
At least we know who the violent thugs are now. If you’ll beat up people for simply saying things you don’t like that proves it.
For saying things? We're talking about resisting arrest.... that's physical. What are you talking about?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4258 of 4573 (880621)
08-08-2020 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 4244 by Trump won
08-07-2020 12:37 PM


joe biden is not a catholic. him, cuomo, and pelosi need to be excommunicated. they legislate proabortion and support the slaughter of the preborn innocents. they act in opposition of the church.
So does the Pope, but that doesn't seem to bother you This Pope in particular is quite the Lefty and the one before it a pederast protector.
You talk about preborn innocents... How many children have been knowingly raped for centuries and the Catholic Church covered it up?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4259 of 4573 (880622)
08-08-2020 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 4246 by Trump won
08-07-2020 4:56 PM


Catholics should stick together
"get behind me, satan"
Interesting choice in quotes for a Catholic
The overwhelming majority of priests and nuns take their vows of faux celibacy because they're closeted homosexuals. Not marrying is not really much of a sacrifice for them. They're as much of a virgin as Mary was
Anyway, what makes Joe Biden, a professing Catholic any worse than any other Catholic? Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord and you will be saved. Simple. Joe's going to be there in heaven with you. Couple of pals kicking back and enjoying a few suds in the afterlife. A couple of peas in a pod, aye, PRC? Why the division PRC? You and Joe are good Catholic boys. You go to weekly confession, say a 142 Hail Mary's, why can't you guys just be friends?
Joe is a Catholic but you keep defending a filthy Protestant -- Trump! PRC don't risk damnation! You're such a good Catholic boy! What Would Mary Do in a situation like this???

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4273 of 4573 (881242)
08-20-2020 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 4271 by PaulK
08-20-2020 12:51 PM


Re: Bannon arrested for fraud
Apparently the We Build the Wall campaign was lining the pockets of the organisers, including Bannon. Trump employs the BEST people.
Trump surrounding himself with scumbags, say it ain't so! What a stupid idea to begin with -- trying to get privateers to buy into a fake wall.
This has to be one of his dumbest ideas ever and a campaign promise that he predictably still hasn't delivered on.
I guess Trump has never heard of airplanes... or ladders.... or shovels... or explosives. Fly over it, climb over it, blow a hole through it, or tunnel underneath it. It would have been just as effective to build a giant hole in the Sonoran desert, throw billions of dollars in it, and set it on fire. That's more or less going to accomplish the same thing.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4353 of 4573 (882699)
10-05-2020 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 4351 by dwise1
10-05-2020 1:48 PM


Conspiratards
For Trump to really "get" Corona virus, he needs to get the full treatment.
That is to say, he needs to lose his job and get evicted.
There are rabid Trump and Q-Anon supporters who are anti-vaxxers that are anti-mask and who believe the Coronavirus is a "hoax." They think Trump is going to save us from this nonsense. But he is greatly responsible for the abysmal handling of it and how will his supporters deal with the fact that Trump himself concedes that not only is the virus real but that he himself contracted it?!
You can't make this shit up.... How do you talk to somebody like that? What do you say to appeal to whatever limited rational sense they have floating around in their head?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 4361 of 4573 (882722)
10-06-2020 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4360 by dwise1
10-06-2020 12:31 PM


Re: Put a dog back in the White House:
It does tell you something about a person that they would have and take care of pets. And it tells you so much more about a person who is incapable of caring for an animal.
I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear if he tortured animals as a young child which is an early sign of sociopathy. I can't imagine life without my beloved pets... And Donald Trump can't imagine what its like to love something selflessly devoted to him because the only thing he is selfishly devoted to is himself. Even his own children are extensions of himself... He doesn't "love" them the way a father should. He just loves the idea of them carrying along some imagined Trumpian Empire and the Trump name.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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