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14174dm
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Message 2731 of 2766 (847742)
01-25-2019 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2730 by dwise1
01-25-2019 7:53 PM


Re: Shutdown Ended! ... At Least for Three Weeks
In a world where government functions have been mostly privatized, what will happen to their employees during a future shutdown?

In my limited experience with government contracting which others are likely to disagree with, the contract period is funded at the time of the notice to proceed.

So if the contract goes into effect on January 1 and is for 1 year, the work is fully funded for that year regardless of what happens on October 1 (start of federal fiscal year). But if the shut down hits like this year and the contract doesn't specifically cover shutdowns, the contractor may not get the January 1 renewal and won't be paid for anything between January 1 and when the contract is renewed.

One option, if a shut down is foreseen, is to process the renewal way ahead but the money available to pay that contract is likely to be a problem. Usually the agency has to have available money left over from somewhere in the budget.

The contractor might take the losses to keep future contracts or may just stop work until the contract is renewed. For something like a prison, I would hope they planned ahead and the contract would automatically renew with some kind of guarantee of payment when the budget is passed.


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14174dm
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Message 2732 of 2766 (847743)
01-25-2019 10:52 PM


Why stay in federal service
I think we are going to be suffering for this shutdown for a long time for a reason I haven't seen mentioned.

Exodus of workers

Since a major reason for working a government job is the security (why I work at a local agency after working private sector).

Now that the shutdown has lasted so long, I expect an exodus of federal workers.

a. Security is gone
b. Chief executive, political appointees, and some members of Congress denigrate the integrity and value of workers
c. Political correctness is more important than scientific process

Those most likely to go are
1. Young as least likely to have the cash cushion to survive a shutdown and without the silver handcuffs of pension & 401k vesting or much vacation accrual
2. Tech skills in demand in private sector or more stable (prosperous) states & localities
3. Management skills in demand in private sector or more stable (prosperous) states & localities

Staying
a. Those near retirement
b. Limited skilled that can't find other jobs
c. Those in remote areas with limited options without moving

So why should we care
1. Skills and institutional knowledge lost
2. Manpower needs may force private sector contracting

I have worked federal service, private consulting, local agency. For work that is ongoing and doesn't need skills in very short supply, contracting out work is usually more expensive than inhouse government work. Contracting costs, oversight costs, profit and more generous salaries & benefits add up to more than the inhouse cost.


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Percy
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Message 2733 of 2766 (847755)
01-26-2019 8:25 AM


Why the Deal to Open the Government is a Bad One for America
Yesterday a deal was struck between President Trump and Democrats in Congress to reopen the government until February 15th so that border security can be debated, here's the Fox News article: Trump signs bill ending government shutdown

This is a bad deal for America because Trump is just preparing to take another run at pinning the blame on Democrats for what will be the February 15th government shutdown. Democrats should have insisted that Trump reopen the government, period. No temporary reopening. If there is any doubt that Trump sees the February 15th deadline as another opportunity to get his wall, here is Mr. Trump in his own words:

quote:
As everyone knows I have a very powerful alternative but I'm not going to use it at this time. If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will either shut down on February 15 again, or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency. We will have great security.

Most people are in favor of maintaining and improving security along our southern border, but in Trump's mind border security is a wall, and if he doesn't get his wall through negotiations then he will shut down the government again, this time hoping to set the stage for blame landing on the Democrats. Trump has no intention of negotiating in good faith. He will just hold out for his wall.

What we should all want is not a win for Democrats or Republicans or Trump but a win for America. That means a funded government on the one hand, and the normal legislative process on the other where Congress and the executive branch negotiate legislation without threats and hostages.

--Percy


    
dwise1
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Message 2734 of 2766 (847765)
01-26-2019 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2732 by 14174dm
01-25-2019 10:52 PM


Re: Why stay in federal service
The commentators talking about a far-right agenda to privatize all the functions of government (so that they can form those private companies and make tons of money) point to the creation of these situations as actions in support of that agenda towards their goal.

According to the commentators, Trump's efforts to make working for the government increasingly difficult, miserable, and even unbearable results in early retirements, fewer recruits, and defections to private industry for better benefits. One (┬┐Thom Hartman?) had an air traffic controller supervisor as a guest on his radio show describing how the government is mismanaging them and the effects on morale and how that's causing them to lose personnel and to drive recruits away which in turns makes the situation even worse. The commentator described how that plays into the agenda to privatize in that it gives the privatizers more justification to privatize.

Of course, another question is whether this administration is doing that as part of a long-range plan to privatize, or out of sheer incompetence.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 2735 of 2766 (848027)
01-30-2019 6:04 PM


Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
So apparently Trump's recent rambling descriptions of women being tied up and gagged with blue duct tape, Mexican cartels with super cars crossing the border and a bunch of other nonsense is from the movie Sicario, the Day of the Soldado.

CNN Investigates: Does Trump Get His Border Talking Points From Movies?

More signs of the stable genius in action.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 2736 of 2766 (848037)
01-30-2019 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2735 by Tanypteryx
01-30-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
Thanks. You just HAD to bring that up.

It's bad enough knowing he's screwing over the nation and the entire world. I really didn't need to know how bonkers this guy really is.

Every time I think, "Really? Is this guy really that damn dense?" he comes up with crap like this.

It scares me. Remember, we gotta get through two more years of this moron.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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DrJones*
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Message 2737 of 2766 (848039)
01-30-2019 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2736 by AZPaul3
01-30-2019 8:35 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
I really didn't need to know how bonkers this guy really is.

Every time I think, "Really? Is this guy really that damn dense?" he comes up with crap like this.

then don't read the articles about his disagreements with the heads of his intelligence agencies. What an idiot


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Tanypteryx
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Message 2738 of 2766 (848040)
01-30-2019 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2736 by AZPaul3
01-30-2019 8:35 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
Every time I think, "Really? Is this guy really that damn dense?" he comes up with crap like this.

Yep, after the 1st couple weeks I started waking up, "wondering what new outrage he will commit today?"

Now it's, " How many outrages will there be today?"

And today McConnell says the Dems wanting to make election day a national holiday is a power grab.

The Trump parasite has infected McConnell and is eating his brain.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 2739 of 2766 (848043)
01-30-2019 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2737 by DrJones*
01-30-2019 9:08 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
then don't read the articles about his disagreements with the heads of his intelligence agencies. What an idiot

Ahhh ... yeah ... too late.

Maybe M'lady Faith is right and this is god's judgement upon a wicked nation.

Sure feels like it. 'cept for the god part.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2740 of 2766 (848044)
01-30-2019 10:03 PM
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01-30-2019 9:17 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
And today McConnell says the Dems wanting to make election day a national holiday is a power grab.

Well of course he did.

Your just all full of good news aren't ya.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2741 of 2766 (848045)
01-30-2019 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2734 by dwise1
01-26-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Why stay in federal service
Of course, another question is whether this administration is doing that as part of a long-range plan to privatize, or out of sheer incompetence.

Ooo! ooo! Me... I know this one!

Yes.

Do I get a cookie?


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PaulK
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Message 2742 of 2766 (848046)
01-31-2019 12:16 AM
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01-30-2019 9:17 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
quote:

And today McConnell says the Dems wanting to make election day a national holiday is a power grab.

Of course it is. Why do you think that the Republicans are trying to discourage people from voting ? (Especially poor people and ethnic minority people).


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ringo
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Message 2743 of 2766 (848063)
01-31-2019 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2736 by AZPaul3
01-30-2019 8:35 PM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
AZPaul3 writes:

Every time I think, "Really? Is this guy really that damn dense?" he comes up with crap like this.


quote:
"From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!"
-- Woody Allen's Bananas (1971)

Reality has become so absurd, it's no wonder Woody isn't funny any more.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2744 of 2766 (848066)
01-31-2019 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 2742 by PaulK
01-31-2019 12:16 AM


Re: Trump is getting his talking points from a movie
Of course it is. Why do you think that the Republicans are trying to discourage people from voting ? (Especially poor people and ethnic minority people).

Yep, "government of the people ,by the people, and for the people is not something republicans believe or support.

After all, poverty is a character flaw, and the wealthy have earned the right to control government.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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dwise1
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Message 2745 of 2766 (848428)
02-05-2019 11:09 AM


What I'd Like to See in the State of the Union Address
I remember how, at one of Obama's SOTU addresses, a Republican shouted, "Liar!" Now we have a President who always lies, so how should that be handled?

One thought would be for all observers to yell, "Liar!", every time Trump lies.

Another thought comes from GoT. Have a nun stand before Trump with a bell. Every time Trump lies, she would ring the bell and shout, "Shame!"

One thing that we absolutely must not do would be to turn the watching the SOTU into a drinking game, taking a drink each time Trump lies. I would not want to lose anyone to alcohol poisoning.


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