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Diomedes
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Message 2791 of 2847 (849909)
03-25-2019 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2790 by 1.61803
03-25-2019 12:54 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
No collusion yet everybody lied when it came to talking to the Russians.
The obstruction question is still on the table even though the DOJ says he is exonerated. Congress is going to not let this go until every possible shred is looked at. Im glad Trump was cleared from collusion. I am not so sure he was not being obstructionist. So is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end.?

The issue is far from over. Congress will subpoena the full Mueller report and will scrutinize it with a fine tooth comb. Which is what everyone expects at this stage. People will be called in to testify and there will likely be numerous Congressional hearings.


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Phat
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Message 2792 of 2847 (849925)
03-26-2019 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2791 by Diomedes
03-25-2019 1:21 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Seems like more of a waste of time. If Mueller can't find anything majorly amiss, why tie Congress up and prevent them from doing more useful things rather than partisan political bickering?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 2793 of 2847 (849933)
03-26-2019 11:33 AM
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03-26-2019 4:45 AM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
why tie Congress up and prevent them from doing more useful things rather than partisan political bickering?

Because unlike Republicans, it seems, Democrats can 'walk and chew gum' at the same time. 'Useful things' & constitutionally required oversight can be accomplished simultaneously.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 2794 of 2847 (849936)
03-26-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2789 by Percy
03-25-2019 12:39 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
The Mueller report further concludes that there was no collusion by the Trump campaign with Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

No criminal conspiracy that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt. That's different.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 2795 of 2847 (849937)
03-26-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2794 by Dr Adequate
03-26-2019 12:11 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Dr Adequate writes:

No criminal conspiracy that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt. That's different.

In the UK the prosecution service has to be convinced that there is a better than 50% chance of acheiving a conviction before prosecution. Once prosecuted, the jurors' test is beyond reasonable doubt. Is it the same in the US?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Faith
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Message 2796 of 2847 (849945)
03-26-2019 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2791 by Diomedes
03-25-2019 1:21 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Sorry, not supposed to post on this thread.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 2797 of 2847 (849956)
03-27-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2795 by Tangle
03-26-2019 12:28 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
I think so.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 2798 of 2847 (849957)
03-27-2019 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2796 by Faith
03-26-2019 1:16 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Faith, you can post. At least I think so. What have you been up to lately? Is your health ok? Perhaps since you have been away for so long you can just start a new topic and catch us all up as to your current passions and concerns.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Taq
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Message 2799 of 2847 (849963)
03-27-2019 3:44 PM


Stomping on your own good news
Most presidents would take the most recent news and ride the wave for a while. Not Trump.

Trump Administration Says Entire Affordable Care Act Should Be Repealed

The Trump administration, straight off the heels of a positive Mueller report, are doing their best to sabotage the Republican party and their chances in the 2020 election. Even other Republicans are shaking their heads.


  
Percy
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Message 2800 of 2847 (849964)
03-27-2019 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2798 by Phat
03-27-2019 11:57 AM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
See Message 213 and Message 2257.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 2801 of 2847 (849992)
03-28-2019 9:03 AM


Trump Resumes Efforts to Eliminate Obamacare
This has been widely reported in the news, here's an initial report from the New York Times from a few days ago: Trump Officials Argue Courts Should Entirely Reject the Affordable Care Act. The most significant impacts would be:

  • Preexisting conditions would no longer be covered.
  • Millions would lose their health care insurance.
  • Prescription coverage for the elderly under Medicare would become more expensive

Many aspects of the Affordable Care Act are less well known and would also be eliminated.

While there have been Republican health care proposals in the past (by Senators Lindsay Graham and Bill Cassidy in 2017 for one), nothing specific has yet been proposed for what might replace the Affordable Care Act.

--Percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 2802 of 2847 (850012)
03-28-2019 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2801 by Percy
03-28-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Trump Resumes Efforts to Eliminate Obamacare
nothing specific has yet been proposed for what might replace the Affordable Care Act.

Sure there has. Misery and death for the poor and elderly.

They are not just eliminating the ACA, what they are doing is going to fuck up everyone's insurance.


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 2803 of 2847 (850023)
03-28-2019 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2800 by Percy
03-27-2019 3:46 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
I see why you did what you did. I love Faith, but I agree with you that she needs to toe the line in certain topics...especially those started by others. The ones she starts she can yak till the cows come home, in my opinion.

Faith, I have been growing in Christ, lately. I tend to piss off Conservative Christians more than I do liberal/moderate atheist/humanists, however.

Please, no replies to this post. Let's start a new topic together. I have one that is both true and emotional. It happened to me many years ago and only resurfaced recently. Are you game, Faith?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Percy
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Message 2804 of 2847 (850271)
04-05-2019 8:36 AM


New Questions Raised About Barr Appointment
William Barr's appointment as Attorney General of the United States has just been called into further question by recently revealed information that on the day Barr submitted his 19-page memo arguing that a sitting president could never be guilty of obstruction of justice unless he purposefully destroyed evidence, the Department of Justice invited Barr to lunch with senior DoJ officials, to take place a couple weeks later.

Because this lunch discussion had not come to light at the time of Barr's confirmation hearing before the Senate, no questions were asked about it, but it calls into further question Barr's impartiality and the appropriateness of his appointment, especially in light of his recent hasty clearing of Trump of any obstruction of justice charges a mere five weeks after his appointment. More bluntly, Trump appointed the man who mere weeks later declared him innocent.

Source: Barr invited to meet DoJ officials on day he submitted memo critical of Mueller

--Percy


    
Percy
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Message 2805 of 2847 (850274)
04-05-2019 9:00 AM


Another Shoe is About to Drop in the Russian Collusion Case
Julian Assange cannot leave well enough alone. Safely ensconced in the Ecuadorian Embassy to avoid arrest by Swedish authorities on charges of sexual misconduct, Assange thumbed his nose at his hosts by leaking papers that implicate Ecuadorian president Lenin Moreno in corrupt practices, causing a political firestorm for Moreno at home. Recent news is that Assange could be evicted from the Ecuadorian Embassy in hours to days.

If this comes to pass then Assange will be arrested by British authorities for violating his bail conditions after his arrest for the aforementioned Swedish charges. Once Assange is in British hands he will be vulnerable to extradition to the United States (Sweden ceased pursuing the sexual misconduct charges because of the passage of so many years) for publishing stolen government documents relating to the wars in the Middle East.

But once in the US Assange could also be served subpoenas for issues relating to the Russia probe, if only the Russia probe still existed. This means he will instead be subpoenaed to testify before various House committees about his role in the theft and release of emails from the DNC and from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in an attempt to establish whether Trump and Russia were merely fellow travelers or actual co-conspirators.

Because of this possibility, I think it likely that Trump will order the DoJ not to request extradition of Assange to the United States.

Source: WikiLeaks founder Assange 'to be expelled' from Ecuador embassy

--Percy


    
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