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Taq
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Message 3121 of 3212 (858824)
07-24-2019 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 3116 by a servant of Christ
07-23-2019 9:23 PM


messenjaH of oNe writes:

the problem with that is the resentment it would cause from the fact of millions of homeless in US citizenry.

Trump is trying to cut food stamps to those very people, over 3 million of them:

https://www.cbsnews.com/...h-proposed-tanf-change-2019-07-23

not to mention the baddies like ms-13 and other criminals that kill citizens who aren't overtly interested in rehabilitation

Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a 25% lower rate than US citizens. There has also never been a confirmed link between immigration and increases in crime rates.

quote:
A large majority of the areas recorded decreases in both violent and property crime between 2007 and 2016, consistent with a quarter-century decline in crime across the United States. The analysis found that crime went down at similar rates regardless of whether the undocumented population rose or fell. Areas with more unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime rates, although the difference was small and uncertain.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/...d-immigrants-and-crime

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Message 3122 of 3212 (858827)
07-24-2019 11:39 AM
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07-24-2019 11:21 AM


There has also never been a confirmed link between immigration and increases in crime rates.

aside from the rise in domestic terrorism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ers-who-oppose-immigration


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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Message 3123 of 3212 (858843)
07-24-2019 12:22 PM


Mueller testimony

Oh, rats.

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Now before we go to questions I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu who said, and I quote, ‘you didn’t charge the President because of the OLC opinion.’ That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report, and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime,” Mueller clarified.

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Message 3124 of 3212 (858884)
07-24-2019 4:29 PM


Outright lies
Mueller: Trump Officials' 'Outright Lies' Impeded Investigation

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Rep. Demings said, "So let's talk about lies. According to your report, page nine, volume one, witnesses lied to your office and to congress. those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian interference, according to your report. Other than the individuals who pled guilty to crimes based on their lying to you and your team, did other witnesses lie to you?"

Mueller replied, "I think there are probably a spectrum of witnesses in terms of those who are not telling the full truth, and those are outright liars."

Outright liars, indeed.

"Thank you very much, she said. "Outright liars. It is fair to say then that there were limits on what evidence was available to your investigation of both Russia election interference and obstruction of justice."

"That's true and usually the case," he replied.

She continued, "And that lies about Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation?"

"I would generally agree to that," Mueller said.



Outright liars. Whoda thunk?
  
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Message 3125 of 3212 (858889)
07-24-2019 4:55 PM



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Message 3126 of 3212 (858905)
07-25-2019 8:49 AM
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07-24-2019 4:55 PM


Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
In Brief:
Capitalism(unbridled and unregulated) seeks to entice and dominate the globe through seduction. The right wing goal of eliminating meddlesome government regulation is both a blessing and a curse as to its success.

Socialism seeks to capture and govern the world through oppression via mandatory consensus and government regulation. ringo can crow about how it is what Jesus would approve of yet fails to take into account our fallen (or flawed) human nature.

I am a political moderate. I see pros and cons in both political ideologies.

Of course my world view is shaped by the belief that we humans need Jesus and a spiritual transformation. Ironically, Trump may actually have been destined to step into power in times such as these. He is arguably delaying the demise of the United States as a major player on the global stage. On the other hand, I never had any reason to dislike Barack Obama...as many of my conservative friends do. If one were to choose which of the two would be a possible antichrist archetype, Obama ironically would fit the bill only because he seems so professional, polished, and nice. (Traits that a cunning antichrist would have) while Trump allowed himself to be used by the capitalists as he in turn exploited the system himself for the benefit of his wealthy friends as well as his families success. But he never seems to mind if we know it. And the populist hillbillies love the guy for his gutsy brashness. All I know is that the economy is likely to fall apart during the next presidential term...expect a 10 year correction at best.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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Message 3127 of 3212 (858913)
07-25-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3126 by Thugpreacha
07-25-2019 8:49 AM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
Phat writes:

Socialism seeks to capture and govern the world through oppression via mandatory consensus and government regulation.


Nonsense.

Socialism seeks to have each contribute what he can and each receive what he needs. Jesus said the same thing.

Phat writes:

ringo can crow about how it is what Jesus would approve of yet fails to take into account our fallen (or flawed) human nature.


We have no fallen nature. "The Fall" is a lie. God said so.

We do have a flawed nature. That's why Jesus had to tell us to do it.

Phat writes:

I am a political moderate.


No you're not.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 3128 of 3212 (858930)
07-25-2019 4:37 PM


Clintons again
Clintons Murdered Jeffrey Epstein, But He Got Better

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So far, we haven't seen any brilliant explanations of why the plot failed in this instance, since the Clintons are usually so unfailingly lethal. (You know, Roger Stone knows they killed JFK Jr., for "reasons," except the joke is on them since John John actually faked his death and will soon reveal himself as "Q.") We doubt any of the true believers will be bothered by that insignificant detail, though, because you know how it is with the Clintons, who work in such mysterious ways that they leave no evidence at all.

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Message 3129 of 3212 (858941)
07-25-2019 9:33 PM
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07-25-2019 8:49 AM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
For Christians there are a lot of reasons to dislike Obama. He had a particular disdain for people who "cling to God (and guns)".

I think the pinnacle was when he forced nuns to perform abortions.

Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given.


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Message 3130 of 3212 (858944)
07-25-2019 10:10 PM


Taxpayers spent 40 Mueller dollars to reelect Trump
Despite the optics that CNN et al. are pushing, the American public saw through the ruse when Mueller spoke. It's outside of the purview of the American public to elect a democrat. We spent forty mueller dollars to reelect trump. This "Mueller" report was a hitjob run by a lawyer for a Clinton Aide.

Pathetic. It's almost like the universe is in favor of Trump "winning". This is almost too strange to be real. Trump's democrat opponents hand him victories left and right. I don't understand how they are not truly on his side. It would almost make sense that the whole political machine was in the bag for Trump.

A forty mueller dollar farce funded by the taxpayer. Comey's best friend, naked in front of Nadler et al. Pathetic.


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Message 3131 of 3212 (858951)
07-26-2019 8:43 AM
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07-25-2019 10:10 PM


Re: Taxpayers spent 40 Mueller dollars to reelect Trump
What color is the sky on your planet?
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Taq
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Message 3132 of 3212 (858964)
07-26-2019 10:42 AM
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07-25-2019 9:33 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
messenjay of one writes:

For Christians there are a lot of reasons to dislike Obama. He had a particular disdain for people who "cling to God (and guns)".

My hypocrisy detector is going off.

quote:
Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.
"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
https://www.cnn.com/...s-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html


I think the pinnacle was when he forced nuns to perform abortions.

Say what?????

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Message 3133 of 3212 (858966)
07-26-2019 10:48 AM
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07-25-2019 9:33 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
I think the pinnacle was when [Obama] forced nuns to perform abortions.

lol wut?


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 3134 of 3212 (858968)
07-26-2019 10:54 AM
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07-25-2019 10:10 PM


Re: Taxpayers spent 40 Mueller dollars to reelect Trump
pathetic

I believe you are.


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Message 3135 of 3212 (858983)
07-26-2019 1:52 PM
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07-25-2019 9:33 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
I think the pinnacle was when he forced nuns to perform abortions.

All this time I thought Obama had all those nuns in the national forests to minister to the jihadists. Now I find out they were armed with coat hangers. Whoda thunk.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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