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AZPaul3
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Message 3136 of 3212 (858985)
07-26-2019 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3130 by a servant of Christ
07-25-2019 10:10 PM


Re: Taxpayers spent 40 Mueller dollars to reelect Trump
It's almost like the universe is in favor of Trump "winning".

You live in Yasenevo don't you.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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DrJones*
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Message 3137 of 3212 (858987)
07-26-2019 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3133 by Chiroptera
07-26-2019 10:48 AM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
you haven't heard of all those nuns who were trained to perform abortions but refused to do so on religious grounds until the big bad president came and forced them into the procedure room?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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JonF
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Message 3138 of 3212 (858991)
07-26-2019 4:13 PM


Time?
Nadler And Pelosi Announce Moves Toward Impeachment Proceedings
  
Taq
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Message 3139 of 3212 (858992)
07-26-2019 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3137 by DrJones*
07-26-2019 2:14 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
DrJones writes:

you haven't heard of all those nuns who were trained to perform abortions but refused to do so on religious grounds until the big bad president came and forced them into the procedure room?

The part that always amazes me is how many lies the Christian Right is willing to tell in order to support the Republican party. Mr. Messenger has to know what he wrote is a lie. Does he really think US troops came in and made nuns perform abortions at gun point, or something to that effect? Why the obvious lies?

It reminds me of why I questioned my previous religious beliefs to begin with. What I saw around me at church was a lot of people who were just as flawed as anyone else, and weren't above passing on lies to support their religious beliefs. The pattern continues here.


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JonF
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Message 3140 of 3212 (859001)
07-26-2019 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3139 by Taq
07-26-2019 4:30 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
It's kinda like the telephone game, except with lies. One lies a little, the next one copies and adds a little. None of them do any checking. Most of them don't retract when the truth comes out. And most of them ricochet around in the bubble forever.

And I wouldn't assume he knows how ludicrous and foolish that kind of BS is. I've encountered several RWNJs who regurgitate that crap without the slightest thought of reality. The bubble is nearly impermeable.

There's a word for that but I can't find it.

ABE I expect versions of this to echo for some time. How Marco Rubio ended up broadcasting a lie about Ilhan Omar.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 3141 of 3212 (859074)
07-27-2019 9:32 PM


Now is the time

  
a servant of Christ
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Message 3142 of 3212 (859091)
07-28-2019 11:51 AM


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/...of_the_poor_128691.html

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And yet, despite the fact that nothing says “ideological extremism” more than forcing nuns to entangle with abortion and nothing says “blind to the political environment” like refusing to back off, the Obama administration is refusing to back off. No doubt there are some Democrats shifting very uncomfortably in their seats -- as they are headed right into an election cycle where they will have to explain to their constituents why they oppose the Little Sisters of the Poor in a religious liberty lawsuit. That’s because the mandate is still very much alive and well, and the Little Sisters of the Poor are having to spend time away from the impoverished and dying elderly people they serve to fight off bureaucratic bullies who refuse to take these nuns at their word that something violates their faith; instead, these bullies would rather drag in a judge and engage in a full-court press.

trump's hhs tried to put in a religious mandate which was contested by obama judges and other nefarious litigators. one of the first things trump did

spoiler alert: the good guys won.

Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 3143 of 3212 (859094)
07-28-2019 12:37 PM


Bullshit!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


    
AZPaul3
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Message 3144 of 3212 (859097)
07-28-2019 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3142 by a servant of Christ
07-28-2019 11:51 AM


The issue with the nuns was *their* refusal to allow *their* employees to select abortion coverage in *their* organization's health insurance. Nothing to do with forcing nuns to perform abortions.

You lied.

As the election gets closer we can expect more lies from the alt-reich along with, and many as part of, the Russian disinformation campaign to disrupt our election.

You are a fake-news plant, a disinformation surrogate, either willingly or by gross ignorance.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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dwise1
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Message 3145 of 3212 (859100)
07-28-2019 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3142 by a servant of Christ
07-28-2019 11:51 AM


As a Christian, it is your duty to avoid spreading "fake news" lies.

On my quotes page, I quote from An Embarrassing Week for Christians Sharing Fake News: Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. You embarrass us all when you do. by Ed Stetzer (Christianity Today, SOCIAL MEDIA, 13 July 2015):

quote:
It is YOUR job—yes YOURS—to check the facts. Yes, these websites should do that as well, but most are more concerned with gaining your page view than growing your credibility.

Remember, Snopes is your friend. Go and check out these stories before you share them on social media.

There are real issues about religious liberty right now (and more coming). Posting links to fake ones just makes all of us look (rightly) gullible.

How To Fix the False Rumor You Spread


1. Post a retraction.

Really.

Do it.

It's not that hard. It will sting a little bit because you'll have to admit you were wrong, but it's good for you. I promise.

Just something like this would suffice: "Hey friends, I posted a story about _______ this weekend, and it turns out it wasn't true! Be on guard and don't believe everything you read out there! I’ll be more careful next time." You can both admit you were wrong and look out for your friends, telling them to be alert for more fake stories, because these weren't the first and I’m sure they won’t be the last.

Integrity is important for the Christian. The Scriptures are clear, especially in the Proverbs.

Proverbs 2:20-21 says:


So follow the way of good people,
and keep to the paths of the righteous.
For the upright will inhabit the land,
and those of integrity will remain in it;

Later, Proverbs 28:18 says:

The one who lives with integrity will be helped,
but one who distorts right and wrong
will suddenly fall.

Do the right thing. Protect your friends from being tricked like you were.

2. Don’t excuse it by saying, “Well, it might be true.” Or, “Well, there is something like that." "Or, well, it will be true soon."

No, you were wrong. You fell for a hoax. Say it and move on.

You were deceived. It's ok to admit that. You don't have to try to cover your tracks and make some sort of lame excuse to make yourself look better.

Have some humility, be willing to admit someone fooled you, and move on.

Posting a link to a story about a for-profit wedding chapel on public land won't make it any better because even that was resolved—just say you were wrong and move on.

Seriously...

3. Be less gullible next time.

Wisdom is valuable:


Get wisdom—
how much better it is than gold!
And get understanding—
it is preferable to silver. (Prov 16:16)

"But," you may think, "I'm not wise. I get fooled by this stuff all the time." That's okay, Scripture accounts for people like us. James 1:5 says:


Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without criticizing, and it will be given to him.

Finally, the Bible makes it clear:


You must not steal. You must not act deceptively or lie to one another. (Lev 19:11)

Lying is wrong. Don't lie, even if you don't mean to. And make it right if you do.

Don't Post What You Can't Confirm

You may say, "But what if I can’t tell if the story is fake or not?"

I've given you several ways to check the veracity of a story, but if that does not work, there is just one solution: don't post it.

If you have not, will not, or cannot confirm a story, do not share it. As Christians, we have a higher standard than even the journalist. We aren’t protecting the reputation of an organization or a website, we bear the name of our King.

If our friends and families cannot trust us with this type of news, many will not listen when we seek to share the good news of the gospel.



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a servant of Christ
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Message 3146 of 3212 (859101)
07-28-2019 1:31 PM


you present the facts and they call you fake news.
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PaulK
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Message 3147 of 3212 (859102)
07-28-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3146 by a servant of Christ
07-28-2019 1:31 PM


quote:
you present the facts and they call you fake news

That is exactly what Trump and his supporters have been doing. Glad you spotted it.
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a servant of Christ
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Message 3148 of 3212 (859103)
07-28-2019 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 3147 by PaulK
07-28-2019 1:34 PM


truthbomb from the president.


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PaulK
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Message 3149 of 3212 (859104)
07-28-2019 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 3148 by a servant of Christ
07-28-2019 1:40 PM


Yes, a “bomb’ meant to destroy the truth.

That’s why Trump attacked Mueller beforeMueller’s appearance before Congress.


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JonF
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Message 3150 of 3212 (859105)
07-28-2019 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3144 by AZPaul3
07-28-2019 12:54 PM


The legal issue was their refusal to fill out a form declaring their opposition, which would then have required the health insurance company to supply the employees with the required supplies.
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