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JonF
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Message 3241 of 3304 (861664)
08-25-2019 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3240 by Hyroglyphx
08-24-2019 9:53 PM


Re: Donald Trump's Twitter-verse
The real problems are that Trump is clueless about macroeconomics and trade, and thinks everything is a zero-sum game. He can't conceive of a win-win.

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Message 3242 of 3304 (861666)
08-25-2019 9:30 AM
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08-23-2019 11:58 AM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
Thugpreacha writes:

Perhaps he does not have bad motives, but it is clear that he never agrees with the establishment...perhaps because it is largely liberal and educate.

The reason people disagree with so much of what Trump says is because he is lying. Most of his lies stand in direct contradiction to reality, i.e., that he lied is not in doubt, for example, that China pays the tariff fees.

--Percy


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Message 3243 of 3304 (861676)
08-25-2019 2:09 PM
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08-25-2019 9:30 AM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
that he lied is not in doubt, for example, that China pays the tariff fees.

I think he says these things as sound bites to drum up his supporters to feverish heights. Like saying Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Its obviously a ridiculous concept on the face of itself. He must be saying these things as a sensationalistic tactic.


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Message 3244 of 3304 (861683)
08-25-2019 2:27 PM
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08-25-2019 2:09 PM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
I think he says these things as sound bites to drum up his supporters to feverish heights.

He must think his supporters are as deplorable and totally out of touch with reality as he is.

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JonF
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Message 3245 of 3304 (861719)
08-25-2019 5:36 PM



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Message 3246 of 3304 (861724)
08-25-2019 6:00 PM
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08-25-2019 5:36 PM


Except for Boris who is almost as clueless, I think the other leaders already understand why America, not just the media, hate this orange narcissist so much.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 3247 of 3304 (861728)
08-25-2019 8:14 PM


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President Donald Trump’s lack of knowledge about science prompted another embarrassing moment when the U.S. president said that we should simply “nuke hurricanes” to solve the problem.

Another hurricane is headed toward Puerto Rico this week. The island is still recovering from being hit twice in 2017. Trump’s solution, however, wasn’t entirely thought out, however, Axios reported Sunday.

“I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke them?” Trump said during a hurricane briefing at the White House, sources said. “They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane, and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”

The source admitted to paraphrasing the statements from the president.

“Sir, we’ll look into that,” responded the briefer to the president.

Trump reportedly then asked how many hurricanes the United States could take as if the country was a ship floating in the oceans.

The person briefing “was knocked back on his heels,” according to the source in the room. “You could hear a gnat fart in that meeting. People were astonished. After the meeting ended, we thought, ‘What the f*ck? What do we do with this?'”


https://www.rawstory.com/...p-hurricanes-with-a-nuclear-bomb

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Message 3248 of 3304 (861729)
08-25-2019 8:35 PM


Expending every effort to prevent peace in the Middle East.

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Message 3249 of 3304 (861733)
08-25-2019 8:59 PM
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08-25-2019 2:27 PM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
He must think his supporters are as deplorable and totally out of touch with reality as he is.

A lot of them are even worse... if that's even possible.


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Message 3250 of 3304 (861747)
08-26-2019 11:04 AM
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08-25-2019 8:35 PM


plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Maybe he actually had someone read (since it's obvious il Donald can't really read himself) the 1924 Virginia Racial Integrity Act to him.

quote:
The Racial Integrity Act required that all birth certificates and marriage certificates in Virginia to include the person's race as either "white" or "colored." The Act classified all non-whites, including Native Americans, as "colored."

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Message 3251 of 3304 (861749)
08-26-2019 11:48 AM
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08-26-2019 11:04 AM


Re: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
or Stephen Miller read it to him ...


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Percy
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Message 3252 of 3304 (861750)
08-26-2019 12:36 PM


Trump and the Trust Issue
It is a mystery to me why the news media (all of it) continues to report what Trump says, since it has become very clear that he is usually lying, being misleading, or will soon say the opposite. This article from today's USA today, 'They mean business.' Trump tells G7 that Chinese trade officials called to restart talks, provides an example.

quote:
BIARRITZ, France – President Donald Trump said Monday that Chinese officials called to restart talks amid an escalating trade war that sent markets spinning last week.

Did Chinese officials actually call in the 24 hours before Trump announced this? Possibly. Or is he talking about a call at some other time? Possibly? Did the officials actually say they wanted to restart talks? Possibly. Is Trump just trying to keep the stock market from resuming its downward spiral when it opened Monday. More likely.

quote:
Speaking to reporters at the G-7 meeting of world leaders taking place in France, Trump said that U.S. officials had received two calls from China. The president declined to say whether he had spoken directly with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

If Trump had talked to Chinese President Xi Jinping he would have said so, so he did not.

quote:
"We've got two calls, very very good calls, very productive calls," Trump told reporters. "They mean business."

Possibly true. Who knows? My guess is that the story will change very soon.

quote:
Trump made the remarks hours before markets opened in the U.S. Those markets plunged Friday after China raised retaliatory tariffs on $75 billion in American made products. Later Friday, Trump responded by raising tariffs on $550 billion in goods.

Trump said Friday he would raise from 25% to 30% U.S. tariffs on $250 billion in Chinese products and would increase from 10% to 15% new tariffs on a remaining $300 billion in goods – some of which are set to take effect next month.


In these two paragraphs USA Today is just reciting some factual information.

quote:
“I have great respect for the fact that China called and they want to make a deal," Trump said, during a G-7 meeting in which allies have pressured the U.S. to ease up on the trade war with China. "I have great respect for President Xi.”

Did Chinese officials actually call? Do they want to make a deal? Who knows? Stay tuned, the story will change.

quote:
Trump said he expects to have a further statement on China, noting a scheduled press conference later Monday. Chinese officials did not immediately confirm the calls.

But he declined to directly answer multiple questions about who called and what specifically was discussed.


Most likely Trump declined to be specific because he's not sure what he's going to make up in the future.

quote:
“I don’t want to talk about calls. We’ve had calls. We’ve had calls at the highest levels,” the president said.

Who knows what "the highest levels" are. What I think is that Trump needed some news to forestall a further stock market collapse, so since undoubtedly someone in the Chinese government is always calling someone in the US government, Trump believes he isn't lying despite creating an impression in people's minds that is contrary to the truth.

quote:
Pressed again by reporters Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that “there were discussions that went back and forth.”

Trump said that Chinese officials called and said they want to make a deal, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that discussions "went back and forth." They're saying different things. And where is the Secretary of Commerce in this?

quote:
Trump said those calls took place Sunday night.

Yeah, right. They called and threw Trump a life preserver just when he needed it. Okay, sure.

Like I said, stay tuned, folks. This will change, because whatever truth is in it isn't much.

--Percy


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Message 3253 of 3304 (861779)
08-26-2019 6:43 PM
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08-25-2019 8:57 AM


Re: Donald Trump's Twitter-verse
The real problems are that Trump is clueless about macroeconomics and trade, and thinks everything is a zero-sum game. He can't conceive of a win-win.

That is the key to his failures.

Trump has no clue how to actually negotiate. He was always in the dominant position of being the one to that sub-contractors were coming to, so he always was the one to dictate all the terms; when he's up against a co-equal, he has no idea what to do.

From his normally dominant role, he can bully everybody as long as he would want to, because they all want to get a contract out of him. He is used to a zero-sum game in which he wins by everybody else losing. That is in direct contradiction with the goals of diplomacy and traditional parlimentary politics in which you try to arrive at some kind of compromises in which everybody wins something. Trump's mentality of "I can only win if you lose" completely short-circuits any possible negotiation.

We also see a typical CEO tactic: create a crisis and then resolve it. E.g, there's a layout of a hotel lobby with a potted plant in a particular location. It's current position is a complete disaster, so you the CEO, the only one who can do it, move it less than a meter away and suddenly the crisis has been resolved, but only by your own incredible leadership. We see so many examples of this from Trump day after day.

I think that Trump is proof positive that that old GOP trope, "Put a businessman in charge of the government; he knows how to run a business so he also knows how to run a government." is pure crap. While some skills are transferable, running a government is very different from running a business, especially in your business goals. Running a government exactly like a business has never been known to work well.

For example, decades ago I practiced Aikido in which you blend with your opponent's energy (ie, motion, state of mind (we could "throw" people without even ever touching them)), combine them, and then move both energy systems within the same single framework (ie, around your own center) which inevitably results in leading your attacker "into a fall" (you never "throw" anyone, but rather you "lead them into falling"). When I started learning partner dancing, I immediately applied my Aikido training (mainly because that was my only background to get me through the turns in the warmup) and that tapped me very early into how to lead. However, as similar as they can be in principle and some levels of execution, the targeted end result is totally different: Ki (mind, spirit, life-force -- basically, virtually the moment the Force was ever mentioned I recognized it as Ki). In Aikido we lead your "partner" into a fall, whereas the Ki in partner dancing directs her around a common center. Same basic principles and techniques, but applied differently for diametrically opposed outcomes.

So even though some Aikido skills and principles were transferable to dancing, treating a dance like a self-defense situation could only result in disaster. Just as treating government as a business can only result in disaster.

Business is in the business of making profit by any means possible (hopefully legal). Government is in the business of managing resources for the benefit of the governed, which has very little to do with profit. Businesses will cut back on the services they provide in order to make more profit; government needs to provide those services as efficiently and effectively as possible. It makes business sense for Business to develop the attitude of screwing its customers as much as it can get away with; Government cannot do that.

Government is not a business and must not be run as one.

ABE:
Going bankrupt is a valid and much used business practice; Trump is very well practiced in going bankrupt. Bankruptcy is not a viable option for Government.

And Trump's suggested solution of just printing more money is a non-starter. From the Weimar Hyperinflation (1921-1923) where that's exactly what the German government did, we know exactly what will happen, unlike that m.o.r.o.n Trump. I have a copy of a magazine graphic showing postage stamps from that period for sending a postcard: the price started at 10 Pfennigs and ended up costing over a billion (milliard) Marks. Cheap and stiupid tricks like that might work for a business, but not for a government.

Donald J. Trump. Failed businessman. Failed president. Failed human.

Edited by dwise1, : Lost the bubble, but got it back now. Completing the thoughts.

Edited by dwise1, : ABE


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Percy
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Message 3254 of 3304 (861796)
08-27-2019 8:25 AM
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08-26-2019 12:36 PM


Re: Trump and the Trust Issue
Breaking news: Trump lies again

That's actually a link to a Washington Post article about Trump's Q&A with reporters at the close of the G-7 conference. About those supposed calls from high-ranking Chinese officials seeking a deal it says:

quote:
Chinese government officials said Monday that they were unaware of any such calls.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin called them "communications." I have no doubt that the governments of countries as large as the US and China are in constant "communications" at a variety of levels.

Human psychology is interesting. Most Trump supporters recognize Trump's problems with truth and women and non-white people and truth and allies and how tariffs work and truth (he loves dictators, though), but they support him anyway.

Trump is like the used car salesman who tells you the car will get 100 mpg and never need repairs and will have a resale value twice what you paid. You know he's lying, but you don't call him on it because he's also describing the great deal he's giving you. Only later, too late, do you discover that that, too, was a lie. Some people know in advance to give the used car salesman a wide berth, others not so much.

--Percy


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Message 3255 of 3304 (861799)
08-27-2019 9:43 AM


Moscow Mitch continues his campaign against democracy
THe FEC has been a pretty toothless watchdog, but even that is too much for Moscow Mitch.

Thanks to Mitch McConnell, U.S. now has no functioning election commission:

quote:
The Federal Election Commission (FEC) — intended to be a group of no more than three Democrats and no more than three Republicans overseeing the federal campaign finance system — has been operating with just a bare quorum of four for the past 18 months. With the resignation of Vice Chairman Matthew Petersen, at the end of the week, the commission will be virtually paralyzed.

The reason for this: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and his Republican-controlled U.S. Senate.

...

President Donald Trump has made little effort to appoint new commissioners since taking office. But the one nomination he has made — pro-Trump attorney Trey Trainor of Texas — has been waiting for a confirmation hearing since September 2017.


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