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Message 3541 of 3596 (865695)
10-29-2019 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3536 by Taq
10-28-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Hi Taq

Taq writes:

Someone has to be the adult in the room, and it appears to be the Democrats at the moment.

I guess you did not understand what I was saying.

By doing what the democrats are doing they are running the same risk that the republicans did with the Clinton impeachment. They lost control of the house because of the backlash from the people with their vote.

I would not like to see what I described take place.

Taq writes:

Because it is the right thing to do.

The house has already had 3 votes in the full house on an impeachment inquiry and they all failed.

If the 4th vote Thursday is successful the impeachment will still be ongoing during the up coming election. That puts a lot of House dem's in jeopardy in the election in states Trump won.

But what the heck do I care. Pelosi tried every trick in the book and some that wasn't in the book to keep the Thursday vote from ever taking place trying to protect those representatives.

RAZD's math needs a little work as I said it takes 67 votes in the Senate to impeach the President. There are 46 no votes already committed to in the Senate. If all the other republicans voted to impeach that would only be 64 votes to impeach which would be 2 votes short. Which makes the whole exercise of impeachment a waste of time. It will still be up to the voter's in 369 days.

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Message 3542 of 3596 (865699)
10-29-2019 3:14 PM
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10-29-2019 2:53 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
ICANT writes:

By doing what the democrats are doing they are running the same risk that the republicans did with the Clinton impeachment.

They are weighing that risk against the risks the President poses to national security and our sovereignty as a country. Right now, they are putting country ahead of party.

The house has already had 3 votes in the full house on an impeachment inquiry and they all failed.

These were before the Ukraine scandal erupted.

If the 4th vote Thursday is successful the impeachment will still be ongoing during the up coming election.

Doubtful. Many think Articles of Impeachment will be sent over to the Senate before New Year's. The simplicity of the case will make for a short trial. Senator's already know almost everything they need to know which is Trump withheld aid and other support for Ukraine in exchange for investigations into his political rivals. They will have to decide if this is something a President should be allowed to do.

There are 46 no votes already committed to in the Senate. If all the other republicans voted to impeach that would only be 64 votes to impeach which would be 2 votes short. Which makes the whole exercise of impeachment a waste of time. It will still be up to the voter's in 369 days.

I disagree. A no vote on removal from office will be used as a beating stick against Republicans. It will demonstrate that those Republicans put their party ahead of Americans.


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Message 3543 of 3596 (865712)
10-29-2019 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3540 by ICANT
10-29-2019 2:16 PM


Re: Because
Because there is a presidential election in 369 days.
The people voted Trump in and they can vote him out, if they want him out.

That is still an option if the Senate does not convict him of his many crimes and misdemeanors in spite of the evidence already public.

But if the house fails to impeach it will be seen as an ineffectual party that is functionally no different than the GOP and just as corrupted by corporate interests. A lot of people already feel this way, saying there is no difference between the parties. Certainly this appears true when you consider neo-libs like Clinton and DINOs in the DNC that rigged the last election against Bernie.

If today's republican party fits your views, you were never a democrat.

There are a lot of old democrats that would disagree with you.

Tell me what current GOP party behavior is like old DEM party behavior you supported. Caging Children? Preventing people from voting? Perhaps it is racism?

I did not leave the beliefs I had in the 50's, and the 60'. The democratic party left their core beliefs they held back then.

What were they, and how are they part of the current GOP ore beliefs?

I find some republicans just as revolting as the democrats. ...

There are very few that I don't find revolting, and I generally them more revolting than the corporate corrupted DINOs.

... But this president has done more for the poor man than any president in my lifetime.

Curiously I am not aware of a single thing he has done for the poor man ... other that "liberate" poor white racism.

Certainly not wages. Certainly not healthcare and other benefits that he has cut. Certainly not Veteran's care, where he is stealing money from their approved funding to build his stupid ineffectual ridiculous fantasy wall.

Perhaps you could enlighten me: Tell me what he has done. Detail it. Good luck.

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Message 3544 of 3596 (865720)
10-29-2019 5:12 PM
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10-29-2019 2:53 PM


Impeaching Dumbty The Right Thing To DO
ICANT writes:

By doing what the democrats are doing they are running the same risk that the republicans did with the Clinton impeachment. They lost control of the house because of the backlash from the people with their vote.

And by failing to do "what the democrats are doing" they run the risk of losing control of the house as they are voted out for not doing their job.

quote:
Number of Americans supporting Trump impeachment is growing: poll

The number of Americans who now support impeaching President Trump is growing, according to a poll released this week.

A new poll from NPR-PBS NewsHour-Marist found that 49 percent of Americans now approve of impeachment, with 46 percent saying they disapproved. The numbers show a 10-point jump in favor of impeachment from April, The Hill reported.

Other surveys from Politico-Morning Consult and Harvard CAPS-Harris also showed public support for impeachment rising.


quote:
Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment

Just over half of voters want President Trump impeached and removed from office, according to a Fox News Poll released Wednesday.

A new high of 51 percent wants Trump impeached and removed from office, another 4 percent want him impeached but not removed, and 40 percent oppose impeachment altogether. In July, 42 percent favored impeachment and removal, while 5 percent said impeach but don’t remove him, and 45 percent opposed impeachment.

Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10).

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS


That's FAUX NOISE NUTWERK, not CNN, for frack sake, the network that went to court to get permission to lie about whatever they wanted to.

By doing what the democrats are doing they are running the same risk that the republicans did with the Clinton impeachment. They lost control of the house because of the backlash from the people with their vote.

Prior to impeachment, how popular was Clinton vs Trump's current popularity? How many people (voters) were in favor of Clinton's impeachment vs Trump's?

quote:
Clinton’s impeachment barely dented his public support, and it turned off many Americans

The U.S. House’s impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s interactions with the president of Ukraine comes more than two decades after the last presidential impeachment crisis – the one that engulfed President Bill Clinton in 1998 and early 1999. The circumstances – factual, political and societal – were very different back then, and so was U.S. public opinion about the push for impeachment.

A quick review of the facts: In early 1998, rumors began circulating that Clinton had had a sexual relationship with a White House intern, Monica Lewinsky. Clinton denied the allegations, both publicly and in a sworn deposition, but later admitted they were true. Independent counsel Kenneth Starr, whose investigation started as an inquiry into the Clintons’ financial dealings but broadened to other matters, argued that Clinton had committed perjury and obstructed justice by trying to influence the testimony of Lewinsky and other witnesses. The Republican-controlled House impeached Clinton on those charges, but in February 1999 the Senate – also led by Republicans – acquitted him.

One key difference between the Clinton impeachment and Richard Nixon’s experience a quarter-century earlier is that Clinton’s job approval ratings were already quite high before the scandal broke, and by and large they remained so. (Trump’s approval ratings have been fairly stable since the early days of his presidency, but at a considerably lower level – around 40% in a summer 2019 Pew Research Center survey.)

A Center survey taken shortly after Clinton’s Jan. 26, 1998, denial of the affair allegations found that 71% of Americans approved of how he was handling his job as president, 10 percentage points higher than a survey taken just before the scandal broke. Clinton benefited from widespread support for his policies and skepticism about the media’s coverage of the allegations.

While that initial boost faded over time, Clinton’s approval rating in August 1998 was still a robust 62%, where it remained for months – throughout his admission of the affair, the release of the Starr report and the opening of impeachment proceedings. Clinton’s approval hit 71% again in mid-December, after the House vote to impeach him.

Clinton’s impeachment process was generally unpopular, according to Center surveys during that time. Roughly three-in-ten or fewer Americans supported impeaching Clinton throughout autumn 1998 and even into mid-December, just before the House did so anyway. Only later in 1999, after Clinton had been acquitted, did retrospective support for impeaching him reach a high of 44%. (Note that question wording on this issue differed by survey, so direct comparisons are imperfect.)

The Center’s results were consistent with polling by other organizations, which typically found between a quarter and a third of Americans favoring Clinton’s impeachment. That contrasted with the Watergate situation, which saw public support for Nixon’s impeachment steadily rise as more and more was learned about the scandal.


People in general did not care about the sexual behavior, considering it a personal matter that did not affect his job performance.

Here we have higher popularity for impeachment, popularity that is growing, and the charges are much more serious than personal sexual behavior -- getting bribes via his companies, favoring certain foreign countries for personal reasons contrary to US foreign policy (Ukraine), etc. plus a lot of people are fed up with his childish brat behavior, lack of leadership and failure to confront climate change. His behavior with Putin appears treasonous, and his caving to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was seen as pathetic, spineless, and a total betrayal of allies, and linked to his having two hotel properties in Turkey making a HUGE conflict of interest. Similar with Putin. This is national betrayal rather that sexual behavior. This has adversely affected relations with ALL our allies.

Meanwhile:

quote:
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

The approval ratings reported here are based on Gallup Daily tracking averages for President Donald Trump in 2017 and 2018, and periodic multiday polls for Trump starting in 2019. Learn more.

Donald Trump's Presidential Job Approval Ratings
Approval rating Dates
%
Latest job approval rating 39 Oct 1-13, 2019
Term average to date 40 Jan 20, 2017-present
Highest job approval rating to date 46 Apr 17-30, 2019
Lowest job approval rating to date 35 four times, last on Dec 11-17, 2017

Donald Trump's Presidential Job Approval Ratings -- Historical Comparisons
Average for U.S. presidents 53 1938-2019
Average for elected presidents' 12th quarter 52 various
Other elected presidents in October of third year
Barack Obama 41 October 2011
George W. Bush 55 October 2003
Bill Clinton 48 October 1995
George H.W. Bush 64 October 1991
Ronald Reagan 47 October 1983


Prior to impeachment, how popular was Clinton vs Trump's current popularity? About 71% vs 39%

How many people (voters) were in favor of Clinton's impeachment vs Trump's? About 30% vs 55%

Big difference.

... There are 46 no votes already committed to in the Senate. I...

Before they have even been presented with the evidence? Fascinating. Looks like a good reason to vote those senators out if they don't even consider the evidence before making an unpopular vote.

Curiously, I think when it comes to an actual vote, a lot of GOP senators will be looking over their shoulders at the public reactions from their districts and worry about getting re-elected if they don't vote for what their constituents want. I expect the democrat contenders to hold the GOP feet to the fire on this ... and it looks like the timing has been arranged by Pelosi to accomplish just that scenario.

We'll see when the evidence becomes public and the public reacts. Remember that once they have made the vote in the house that the Administrations pathetic stonewalling on subpoenas becomes null and void: they will have to comply and testify of go to jail.

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Message 3545 of 3596 (865724)
10-29-2019 5:30 PM
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impeachment
RAZD's math needs a little work as I said it takes 67 votes in the Senate to impeach the President. There are 46 no votes already committed to in the Senate. ...

To begin with the US constitution requires

quote:
Article 1

Section 2

5: The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Section 3

6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

7: Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.


So indictments for other crimes can be made if he is removed from office either by impeachment or by the November election.

... There are 46 no votes already committed to in the Senate. ...

Curiously I have different information:

quote:
30 Republican Senators might vote to impeach Trump if the ballot were secret, GOP source says

  • Mike Murphy, who helped run presidential campaigns for senators John McCain and Mitt Romney, said as many as 30 Republican senators would vote to remove President Trump from the White House if the ballot were kept secret.
  • The impeachment vote will not be a secret ballot, however.
  • That leaves many GOP senators trapped between bad choices: Vote in favor of impeachment and risk the wrath of Trump voters; or vote against impeachment and risk losing moderate voters who are tired of Trump's antics.

As many as 30 Republican senators would vote for the impeachment of US President Donald Trump over his request for Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, said a top GOP strategist during a cable TV news segment Wednesday night.

So I would say at this point that any counting of senate votes is premature and irrelevant. Especially as there will be a much longer list of misdoings than just the Ukrain issue.

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Message 3546 of 3596 (865733)
10-29-2019 9:01 PM
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10-29-2019 5:30 PM


Re: impeachment
Hi RAZD

RAZD writes:

So I would say at this point that any counting of senate votes is premature and irrelevant. Especially as there will be a much longer list of misdoings than just the Ukrain issue.

Good to see you did realize that it takes 67 votes to convict a President of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Do you actually think anyone of the 46 Senators that signed Lindsey Grahams resolution will change their mind?

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Message 3547 of 3596 (865735)
10-29-2019 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3542 by Taq
10-29-2019 3:14 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
Hi Taq

Taq writes:

These were before the Ukraine scandal erupted.

What scandal are you talking about? The one where Vice President Biden gave the Ukraine 6 hours to fire a prosecutor or they was not going to get the billion dollars of aid. That prosecutor just happened to be investigating a company that his son Hunter Biden sat on the board.

No that was OK. But that is exactly what everyone is saying Trump did.

No one in the Ukraine government knew anything about money being with held for a favor.

I would think you guys here that claim to follow the evidence would look at exactly what the evidence is. The transcript is available for you to read.

Taq writes:

Doubtful. Many think Articles of Impeachment will be sent over to the Senate before New Year's.

The first thing they have to do is find an impeachable offense.

Taq writes:

I disagree. A no vote on removal from office will be used as a beating stick against Republicans. It will demonstrate that those Republicans put their party ahead of Americans.

Was you around when Newt lost the house over the Clinton impeachment?

If you don't know history it will repeat itself.

You guys are possessed with getting rid of Trump as are the never Trumper RINO'S.

But the normal person is more concerned with illegal immigration, take home pay, 401k"s, with all minorities having the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years. Its the economy ……

God Bless


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Message 3548 of 3596 (865736)
10-29-2019 10:12 PM
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10-29-2019 9:01 PM


Re: impeachment
Good to see you did realize that it takes 67 votes to convict a President of high crimes and misdemeanors.

I've never said otherwise.

Do you actually think anyone of the 46 Senators that signed Lindsey Grahams resolution will change their mind?

Do you think that anyone who votes before seeing the actual evidence should be re-elected? Do you think they are honorable or represent values you have?

And I await your answer to Message 3544.

This is no highly popular Clinton getting BJs from an intern not affecting the US Government operation impeachment. It's a bit more serious than that, don't you think?

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Message 3549 of 3596 (865737)
10-29-2019 11:02 PM
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10-29-2019 9:42 PM


Re: Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
What scandal are you talking about? The one where Vice President Biden gave the Ukraine 6 hours to fire a prosecutor or they was not going to get the billion dollars of aid. That prosecutor just happened to be investigating a company that his son Hunter Biden sat on the board.

no scandal there, the removal of the prosecutor had bipartisan and international support, Biden was not acting on his own.

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Message 3550 of 3596 (865739)
10-29-2019 11:15 PM
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10-11-2019 7:40 AM


please change subtitles ... Abiy Ahmed Wins Nobel Peace Prize
So I sometimes look back to find the first message of a certain subtitle that keeps popping up even though the posts no longer have any relevance to it.

Perhaps subtitles should expire after a certain number of replies....

... or a person replying should have to click a "RE:" button to have it used.

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Message 3551 of 3596 (865753)
10-30-2019 11:42 AM
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10-29-2019 9:42 PM


Conservatives Having Trouble With Reality
ICANT writes:

What scandal are you talking about?

The scandal where Trump conditioned military aid on investigations into his political opponents. In fact, just asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponents is a scandal in itself.

The one where Vice President Biden gave the Ukraine 6 hours to fire a prosecutor or they was not going to get the billion dollars of aid. That prosecutor just happened to be investigating a company that his son Hunter Biden sat on the board.

No that was OK. But that is exactly what everyone is saying Trump did.

Trump did not ask Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor, and Trump's actions did not have bipartisan support in Congress nor the support of our allies. Trump also ran this outside of normal channels, and tried to hide it. They aren't the same.

The first thing they have to do is find an impeachable offense.

They've already found two: abuse of power and obstruction of congress.

Was you around when Newt lost the house over the Clinton impeachment?

If you don't know history it will repeat itself.

I know history. Do you? What was Clinton's approval rating at the time of his impeachment trial? What did public support for Clinton's removal look like, and how does it compare to now?

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Message 3552 of 3596 (865754)
10-30-2019 11:44 AM
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10-29-2019 10:12 PM


Re: impeachment
Hi RAZD

RAZD writes:

Do you think that anyone who votes before seeing the actual evidence should be re-elected? Do you think they are honorable or represent values you have?

You have already voted for impeachment as has most of the democratic party.

Impeachment is a political process, not a legal process.

So those senators have the same information that you have and have made the determination that there is no impeachable offense.

Could you name just one impeachable offense?

I have read the phone transcript and there is no impeachable offense in it. Muller did not find an impeachable offense.

Just because he beat Hillary in an election is not an impeachable offense. Although the day after the votes were counted the impeachment was declared to have begun.

Hillary and the DNC bought and paid for the phony Russian dossier to interfere with the 2016 election, not Trump. Which is what Trump was asking Zelinsky to have his people help our Attorney General investigate.

If no one in the Ukraine government knew anything about money being withheld for any reason and Zelinsky said he did not feel pressured in any way where in the conversation is there an impeachable offense?

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Message 3553 of 3596 (865756)
10-30-2019 11:55 AM
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10-29-2019 11:02 PM


Ukraine & Trump
Hi Dr

DrJones writes:

no scandal there, the removal of the prosecutor had bipartisan and international support, Biden was not acting on his own.

So a bunch of crooks wanted the prosecutor fired. That does not have anything to do with the fact that Vice President Joe Biden said fire him in the next 6 hours or you don't get 1 billion+ dollars, and he was fired.

Nothing changes the fact that Hunter Biden was a board member of a company that was under investigation at the time.

God Bless

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Message 3554 of 3596 (865757)
10-30-2019 12:12 PM
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Re: Ukraine & Trump
So a bunch of crooks wanted the prosecutor fired

what evidence do you have that Republican senators Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson are crooks?

Nothing changes the fact that Hunter Biden was a board member of a company that was under investigation at the time.

indeed, just like nothing changes the fact that the prosecutor was widely viewed as corrupt and his removal had bipartisan and international support.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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Message 3555 of 3596 (865758)
10-30-2019 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3552 by ICANT
10-30-2019 11:44 AM


Re: impeachment
ICANT writes:

So those senators have the same information that you have and have made the determination that there is no impeachable offense.

Do you think it is ok for any president to withhold military aid from a foreign country in exchange for help with their personal political campaign?

Could you name just one impeachable offense?

1. Soliciting campaign help from a foreign power using tax payer dollars and the power of the presidency.

2. Refusing subpoenas which is obstruction of congress, a charge that Nixon was also accused of.

Hillary and the DNC bought and paid for the phony Russian dossier to interfere with the 2016 election, not Trump.

Yes, they paid a private company which is entirely legal. It is illegal to solicit campaign help from foreign governments, especially when you are a government official and using tax payer dollars as leverage.

If no one in the Ukraine government knew anything about money being withheld for any reason and Zelinsky said he did not feel pressured in any way where in the conversation is there an impeachable offense?

Yes. Soliciting campaign help from foreign powers is illegal whether they pressure them or not.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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