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dwise1 Member Posts: 5947 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
"Don't worry, Boss. The fix is in!"
McConnell will need to recuse himself, along with any other senator who states that they will violate their oath to fairly listen to and decide on the evidence. Including the senators that Trump has tampered with (eg, the ones he wined and dined at Camp David).
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Judge stymies Trump's border wall by invoking GOP law targeting Obama
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Here is a link to the House Judiciary Committee Report on the Impeachment of President Donald J. Trump. It's 658 pages long, start reading now if you want to be done by Christmas.
--Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Anyone with doubts should read this, then do what Elissa has done, and then base their conclusions on the facts and not on wannabe conspiracy theories.
quote: Read the whole article to see how she comes to her conclusions, based on evidence shorn of bias. If the Senate doesn't vote to remove Trump they will be giving Trump and all future presidents 1. the right/license to corrupt elections with foreign interference, and 2. the right/license to ignore any subpoena and to direct anyone in their administration to ignore any subpoena. Think long and hard on whether you want to live with that. It is time to put mad hate aside and think of the future of this country. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You greatly underestimate the hypocrisy of the Right.
They can trample all over the rules, but they’ll use those same rules as an excuse to jump on anyone they don’t like. Without worrying is the actual rules have been broken at all. We’ve already seen some incredible misreadings used to attack the impeachment proceedings.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The only out I see at this point is to pursue the subpoenas to the supreme court and then take an accounting.
Rudy is ready to start the Clown Show in the Senate. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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As reported by the Daily Beast: Rudy Giuliani Doubles Down on Fox News, Says ‘I Forced’ Marie Yovanovitch Out of Ukraine. When asked by Fox News host Laura Ingraham if he forced Yovanovich out, especially since he wasn't an official representative of the U.S. government, he said he forced her out and that she was corrupt:
quote: Of course there is no evidence of corruption on the part of Yovanovich. And in a recent interview in The New Yorker, Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer and not a representative of the United States, declared in no uncertain terms that he forced Yovanovich out of her ambassadorship of the Ukraine because she was "corrupt" and was making "investigations difficult for everybody.":
quote: He also told the magazine that he had compiled a dossier of information on Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Yovanovich. New Yorker reporter Adam Entous obtained a copy of the dossier and said it included some outlandish and some impossible claims. People are claimed to be where they could not possibly be (e.g., Hunter Biden breakfasting with Deputy Secretary of State Tony Blinken when he was at the hospital where his brother lay dying). People are claimed to be involved in things they could not possibly have been involved in (e.g., Kent and Yovanovich helped set up NABU (National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine) in order to protect the Bidens when neither was stationed in Ukraine at the time). He claimed Yovanovich has a relationship with George Soros that does not exist. It turns out Giuliani was being passed information by Yuriy Lutsenkio, the disgraced former Prosecutor General of the Ukraine. Lutsenko is known for letting Manafort co-conspirator Kilimnik, who Mueller wanted for witness testimony, flee to Russia. He further thwarted Mueller's investigations into Manafort by not providing documentation and secret records of double bookkeeping. Giuliani was also "pissed off at her" for blocking the visa application of Viktor Shokin, another disgraced Ukrainian Prosecutor General, to visit New York because he had, as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent put it, "knowingly subverted and wasted U.S. taxpayer money." Giuliani passed the dossier to the FBI where, at least publicly, they did nothing with it. Certainly none of it's highly questionable information turned up at the House hearings. Meanwhile Giuliani's henchmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, have been arrested and indicted, and it's not impossible that at some point Giuliani himself could be arrested. Giuliani seems to be expert at what could best be described as, given Trump's monarchical aspirations, palace intrigue. We can only hope that it all catches up with him sooner rather than later. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The New York Times also interviewed Giuliani. It's worth reading because it cuts down the detail of everything Giuliani did into a more succinct narrative: Giuliani Provides Details of What Trump Knew About Ambassador’s Removal - The New York Times
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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George T. Conway, husband of Kellyanne Conway, has an editorial in today's New York Times, along with three co-authors, in which he says:
quote: It is nice to know there are sane conservatives out there: Opinion | We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated - The New York Times Mitt Romney is supposedly also adhering to core conservative principles in opposition to Trump, but he has been remarkably silent. --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Percy writes: I extracted the problems the IG identified with the Carter Page FISA application and renewals to make it easier to find them. I think people should make of them what they will. FISA warrants are all but rubber stamps, anyway. If they looked at 20 random FISA warrants they would probably find the same or worse in half of them. I'm not saying this a good thing, but the courts have long given investigators a wide berth when it comes to these warrants.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Trump has been impeached but I still feel that this is a mistake simply because it will likely embolden the fool to commit even more egregious acts. If, as expected, the Senate does not convict Trump he will see it as proof that he really is above the law.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Trump has been impeached but I still feel that this is a mistake simply because it will likely embolden the fool to commit even more egregious acts. If, as expected, the Senate does not convict Trump he will see it as proof that he really is above the law. Indeed. Maybe something that will shock even the puddinghead republicans. Meanwhile subpoenas are in process through the courts ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
RAZD writes: Meanwhile subpoenas are in process through the courts ... And Mitch McConnell pushes through confirmation of 13 new Judges.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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As already reported, Trump has been impeached by the House, here's the Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...53-dce4b94e4249_story.html.
There were two articles of impeachment:
The Articles of Impeachment can be found here: Read the Articles of Impeachment Against President Trump - The New York Times --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I just started watching Mitch McConnell live speaking on the floor of the Senate. I came in in the middle, and the very first thing I heard him say appears to be a lie. He said that Schiff and someone on his committee said, "If the president asserts his constitutional rights it's that much more evidence he's guilty." This seems a particularly crazy thing to say. If Schiff or someone on his staff said this then they're wrong. But searching the Internet I can find no record of anyone anywhere, let alone Schiff or someone on his committee, saying this.
Do Democrats in the Senate get a chance at rebuttal to this McConnell statement? I've disapproved of McConnell's conduct in the Senate, especially after he declared he would be a biased juror colluding with the Trump defense team, but I had no idea he was also a brazen liar. Here's a link to the video at PBS. The words I quoted come at time 17:00: WATCH LIVE: Majority Leader Mitch McConnell speaks on Senate floor after House impeachment vote | PBS NewsHour I haven't listened to the entire video, maybe 40%, but it's mostly a hatchet job. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Add forgotten link.
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