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Message 3706 of 3743 (869155)
12-24-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3693 by Percy
12-20-2019 9:18 AM


Re: An Evangelical Voice Regains its Moral Sanity
Christianity Today again slams Trump, raises issue of 'unconditional loyalty'

Interesting. Once again, Christianity Today speaks out.


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Message 3707 of 3743 (869162)
12-24-2019 6:39 PM


Lindsey Graham on the relevance of Congressional subpoena

Lindsey Graham says that if a President fails to respond to a Congressional subpoena it makes the President subject to Impeachment.

Remember this is the same Lindsey Graham who pointed out back in 2016 what we all know to be true, that Donald Trump is a “race-baiting xenophobic bigot,”.


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Message 3708 of 3743 (869198)
12-25-2019 11:20 AM


New Poll on Impeachment
New poll shows nearly half of voters approve of Trump's impeachment:

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The poll found that 49 percent of voters approve of impeachment, while 42 percent disapprove. Nine percent are unsure.

The poll also found that 47 of voters percent think Trump should be removed from office, compared to 42 percent who do not think he should be removed from office. Eleven percent are not sure.


--Percy


  
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Message 3709 of 3743 (869199)
12-25-2019 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 3706 by Thugpreacha
12-24-2019 11:46 AM


Re: An Evangelical Voice Regains its Moral Sanity
Editor Quits Amid Evangelical Newspaper Civil War Over Trump:

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An editor at The Christian Post has abruptly quit the publication after it aligned itself with Donald Trump as part of a spiraling evangelical Christian civil war. Another evangelical newspaper, Christianity Today, slammed the president as “immoral” and called for his removal from office last weekend, prompting a backlash and recriminations within the evangelical community. Journalist Napp Nazworth, who has worked for The Christian Post website since 2011 and sits on the website’s editorial board as politics editor, tweeted: “Today, rather abruptly, I was forced to make the difficult choice to leave The Christian Post. They decided to publish an editorial that positions them on Team Trump. I can’t be an editor for a publication with that editorial voice.” Trump called Christianity Today “a far-left magazine,” after its attack on him.

--Percy


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Message 3710 of 3743 (869200)
12-25-2019 11:57 AM
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12-25-2019 11:33 AM


Re: An Evangelical Voice Regains its Moral Sanity
An editor at The Christian Post has abruptly quit the publication after it aligned itself with Donald Trump as part of a spiraling evangelical Christian civil war.

You see, this is what I was talking about. Use your position to stop evil. If that's not possible, resign your position so you don't promote evil. Don't wait until you're going to retire anyway when it doesn't matter any more and you've already enabled evil in the meantime.

...a spiraling evangelical Christian civil war.

Is it really a civil war? 'Cause right now it looks to me more like a few dissidents being liquidated.

Trump called Christianity Today “a far-left magazine,” after its attack on him.

Because that's now what "far-left" means now: stuff I don't like.


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Message 3711 of 3743 (869202)
12-25-2019 12:03 PM
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12-25-2019 11:33 AM


Not just Evangelicals ...
quote:
These are the Republicans who are against Trump and for impeachment

President Donald Trump is staring down possible impeachment. Fortunately for him, his base of very conservative Republicans in the Senate likely would save him from being removed from office.

But CNN/SSRS polling in September suggests that Trump should be more worried about a part of the Republican Party that gets less notoriety: the more moderate part. This part of the party won't play a large role in impeachment proceedings, but their feelings toward impeachment and Trump in general could hurt his re-election bid.

The yearning for impeachment and removing Trump from office has risen significantly among moderate and liberal potential Republicans (i.e. Republicans and Republican leaning independents). Nearly a third of moderate/liberal potential Republicans in our latest CNN poll said they wanted Trump impeached and removed last week, while about two-thirds didn't want that. Back in late May, the split was 16% for impeachment and removal and 81% against it. This is statistically significant movement.


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Message 3712 of 3743 (869242)
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Message 3713 of 3743 (869265)
12-27-2019 9:20 AM


Could McConnell's Supreme Court Strategy Come Back to Haunt Him?
In 2016 when a Supreme Court vacancy opened with the death of Justice Antonine Scalia, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Barack Obama's nominee Merrick Garland. Preferring a more conservative nominee, McConnell argued that it wouldn't be appropriate to consider the Garland nomination in an election year, that the process should wait until after the election's outcome. The constitution says nothing about when a Supreme Court nominee must be considered, so McConnell wasn't violating the constitution

In a few days we'll be in an election year. The constitution says nothing about when the House must send the articles of impeachment to the Senate. Knowing that the Republican controlled Senate under McConnell has already pledged to collude with the White House defense team and that an outcome of acquittal is already preordained, the House could simply hold up the articles of impeachment indefinitely while waiting the outcome of the election.

The election would be deeply affected by this strategy. Democratic urgency and energy to regain the Senate would accelerate because of the possibility of Trump winning reelection and the Democrats gaining control of the Senate. The House could then send the articles of impeachment over to the Democratic controlled Senate and a free and fair trial could take place, one where people like Mulvaney and Perry and Giuliani are subpoenaed to testify. Trump would still be acquitted, but at least the trial would be fair.

There are, of course, other possibilities. President Trump could lose reelection, rendering the issue moot. The Republicans could maintain control of the Senate, also rendering the issue moot since the Senate Trial would obviously acquit.

But there are even other possibilities. As 2020 rolls by we'll learn about other Trump impeachable offenses, and he'll of course continue to commit more. As the House has made clear, it feels free to add to the existing articles of impeachment.

During 2020, short of major concessions by Senate leadership, there is no advantage to the House sending the articles of impeachment over to the Senate where' they'll be subjected to a faux trial. The House should just hold onto them until they obtain the necessary promises from the Senate that it will actually carry out its constitutional duties, not a promises about outcomes but about constitutionally mandated processes. The Senate members must demonstrate a commitment to carry out their oath of office.

--Percy


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Message 3714 of 3743 (869305)
12-28-2019 9:16 AM
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12-27-2019 9:20 AM


Re: Could McConnell's Supreme Court Strategy Come Back to Haunt Him?
All we need to get witnesses is 4 republicans for a simple majority vote to call witnesses.

It would be interesting to hear republican reasons for not calling the already named 4 ...

Senate Democrats want to subpoena 4 witnesses in the impeachment trial

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Those witnesses are acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, former National Security Adviser John Bolton, Mulvaney’s senior adviser Robert Blair, and Associate Director for National Security at the Office of Management and Budget Michael Duffey. They’re all current or former members of President Donald Trump’s administration who are believed to have direct knowledge of his discussions with Ukraine about political investigations and military aid. All four were called to testify as part of the House inquiry, though they declined to show up.

Add Rudy ...

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Message 3715 of 3743 (869325)
12-28-2019 11:50 AM
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12-28-2019 9:16 AM


Re: Could McConnell's Supreme Court Strategy Come Back to Haunt Him?
RAZD writes:

Add Rudy ...

And Pompeo.

--Percy


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Message 3716 of 3743 (869407)
12-30-2019 7:46 AM


Tired of Winning Yet?
Those who believe Trump is actually looking out for the little guy as opposed to bamboozling him into giving Trump his vote should give How Big Companies Won New Tax Breaks From the Trump Administration a read. The sub-headlines tell us:

quote:
  • The 2017 overhaul of the federal tax law reduced the tax burden for big companies, but a lobbying effort created a windfall for large corporations.
  • The budget deficit has jumped more than 50 percent since President Trump took office and is expected to top $1 trillion in 2020, partly as a result of the law.
  • As the Treasury Department prepared to enact the 2017 Republican tax overhaul, corporate lobbyists swarmed — and won big.

That pretty much says it all. Lobbyists succeeded in winning big money grabs from the Republican Congress at the expense of all the little guys who voted for Trump who are still waiting to get tired of all the winning. They haven't yet learned that, as with all populists, it doesn't matter what actually happens, it's all a win.

So you're losing healthcare, but hey, you're getting out from under government's thumb, that's a win. Your taxes went down a little while fat cat's taxes went down a lot, but hey, Trump's reducing government's role in your lives, that's a win. You're marginalizing non-white ethnicities, but hey, this is a white country and non-whites should go back where they came from, including all blacks and any other non-white citizens and even non-citizens who are US military veterans, so that's a win. You want infrastructure improved, but hey, by not doing anything we're saving money, so that's a win. This is a Christian nation, but hey, getting rid of all those inconvenient Moslems and Buddhists and Hindus is a win. You want clean air for your children, but hey, that would inconvenience businesses, so reducing and eliminating environmental standards is a win. You want your children's children to live in a world with normal weather and coastlines, but hey, there's no proof man is responsible for this rapid climate change, so hey, dropping out of the Paris Climate Accords is a win. As a conservative you want free trade, but hey, tariff battles are easy to win as long as the suffering consumers and industries and farmers don't make too much noise, so all these tariff battles Trump has started are wins.

Any iPhone users out there? Care to guess why iPhone prices have risen 10-15%? It wouldn't have anything to do with their being manufactured in China, would it?

Tired of winning yet?

--Percy

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Message 3717 of 3743 (869449)
12-30-2019 1:06 PM


The Results Are In: Trump's Tariffs Have Hurt the Economy
According to a just released Federal Reserve report (Disentangling the Effects of the 2018-2019 Tariffs on a Globally Connected U.S. Manufacturing Sector), Trump's tariffs have raised prices and hurt jobs and manufacturing.

Tired of winning yet?

Salon article: Federal Reserve report finds Trump's tariffs raised prices, cut employment and hurt US manufacturers

--Percy


  
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Message 3718 of 3743 (869473)
12-30-2019 11:11 PM


The incredible pettiness
Trumpworld’s Wild Hunt: Who ‘Liked’ a Chelsea Clinton Tweet?

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That week in July, Trump drew criticism for his decision to let his daughter Ivanka fill his seat at the G20 meeting of top economic powers in Hamburg, Germany. After days of the pile on, Trump took to Twitter the morning of July 10 to claim his decision to have Ivanka represent the U.S. at the G20 was “very standard” and that Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany agreed. Not more than 15 minutes later, he switched his tenor and began attacking Clinton and the press. “If Chelsea Clinton were asked to hold the seat for her mother, as her mother gave our country away, the Fake News would say CHELSEA FOR PRES!,” Trump said.

Clinton shot back: “It would never have occurred to my mother or my father to ask me. Were you giving our country away? Hoping not.”

That tweet garnered more than half a million likes, including by the account for the U.S. mission to the European Union. That kickstarted a weeks-long investigation, prompted by the secretary’s office, into who exactly at the Brussels mission had access to the Twitter account and hit like on Clinton’s tweet, according to two former U.S. officials. (Full disclosure: Clinton sits on the board of IAC, The Daily Beast’s parent company.) Nearly 10 people were interviewed about whether they, as administrators of the account, had mistakenly or deliberately pressed the “like” button. All of them denied any wrongdoing, those sources said. One individual familiar with the exchanges said the Secretary of State’s top managers in Washington “wanted blood” and called Brussels numerous times demanding the name of the culprit.



  
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Message 3719 of 3743 (869649)
01-03-2020 10:34 AM


Iran

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Message 3720 of 3743 (869657)
01-03-2020 11:00 AM
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01-03-2020 10:34 AM


Re: Iran
Starting a major war worked well for Lyndon Johnson.

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