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JonF
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Message 3751 of 4306 (871392)
02-01-2020 9:39 PM


You thought "John Carter" was a bomb!
The Trump/Kushner Middle East peace plan plumbs New depths of abject failure.

Joy Reid Exposes The Epic Failure Of Trump's Middle East 'Peace Plan'

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The Palestinians call it an “insult” and “not worth the paper it is written on,” Mohyeldin said. “They will not even consider it.”

Even more important, according to Mohyeldin, is the Arab League’s “complete rejection” because that nullified Trump administration claims that some Arab countries were on board. Yes, there was some “lip service” from the Arab League which thanked us for trying and encouraged a return to negotiations, Mohyeldin said, but the unanimous rejection from the foreign leaders means more.

Mohyeldin described the plan as a fundamental misunderstanding of the Palestinian perspective. The U.S. and Israel apparently think what Palestinians want is economic prosperity. But “Palestinians repeatedly say they want an end of occupation. They want self-determination and they want freedom. They want the right to live in peace and security.”

Yet the plan does not provide for economic prosperity either. “Israel will maintain control economically over the Palestinians’ lives, control all of their entry points, control all of their access to the outside world,” Mohyeldin noted. So even if there is a future Palestinian state, it would be economically dependent on Israel. He called the plan, “Occupation Lite.”



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Message 3752 of 4306 (871395)
02-02-2020 2:23 AM
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02-01-2020 9:39 PM


Re: You thought "John Carter" was a bomb!
All entirely predictable. The deal was skewed so far to the Israeli side it was never going to be acceptable to the Palestinians.

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Message 3753 of 4306 (871396)
02-02-2020 2:41 AM
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02-02-2020 2:23 AM


Re: You thought "John Carter" was a bomb!
but Jared read a whole 25 books! and the proposal was 80 pages long and had a map!

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Message 3754 of 4306 (871404)
02-02-2020 10:09 AM
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02-02-2020 2:41 AM


Re: You thought "John Carter" was a bomb!
The 1947 UN plan had a little map too.

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Message 3755 of 4306 (871407)
02-02-2020 10:55 AM
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02-02-2020 10:09 AM


Gerrymandered states?

Looks like gerrymandering.

Sigh.

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Message 3756 of 4306 (871431)
02-02-2020 2:56 PM


Wouldn't that be fun?


  
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Message 3757 of 4306 (871442)
02-03-2020 4:48 AM


A better approach.
Just read about Il Duce's booboo on where the Chiefs play: Trump Mistakenly Congratulates Kansas City, Kan., on Its Super Bowl Win

Not a major slip up, but if I'd made it in his shoes, I'd have smiled, apologised and made a joke about going back to geography lessons for a couple of weeks.

That would have been one of the approaches which would bring a divided nation together though. Not what Don wants.

A shame, that.


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Message 3758 of 4306 (871549)
02-05-2020 11:08 AM


Midnight in Washington
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It's Midnight In Washington

This ad by Eleven Films is devastating, not because they took Adam Schiff's closing argument and put images with it, but because of their choice of images. Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein, his gestures, his childish behavior, his friend Rudy, and more.

BREAKING: Midnight In Washington - Impeachment Zero Hour

On this day when senators will vote to acquit Donald Trump of his high crimes and misdemeanors, effectively making all abuses of power above the law, the truth is a refreshing change.

Shame on every one of them.


Those who vote lot acquit are complicit in his crimes.

Enjoy


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Message 3759 of 4306 (871577)
02-05-2020 7:46 PM


Acquittal
As I suspected would happen from the jump, Trump has been acquitted. I attribute this mostly to the lackluster allegations and sloppy job legitimizing a case against him. I thought the Articles of Impeachment were very shoddy and very weak. Also, predictably, this just bolstered his base even further. Donald Trump, whether we like it or not, has a better chance now than ever to be a two-term president.

I wish they had not proceeded with the articles until they had something substantial and incontrovertible against him. I understand the desire to proceed given the timing of the election, but if you don't have a good case then you run the risk of increasing his popularity -- he's some kind of teflon mafia don now.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 3760 of 4306 (871578)
02-05-2020 8:03 PM
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02-05-2020 7:46 PM


Re: Acquittal
I attribute this mostly to the lackluster allegations and sloppy job legitimizing a case against him

i attribute it mostly to the republicans being spineless

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Message 3761 of 4306 (871581)
02-05-2020 10:18 PM
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02-05-2020 8:03 PM


Re: Acquittal
i attribute it mostly to the republicans being spineless

Every single Democrat voted Guilty and every single Republican (with the exception of Mitt Romney) voted Not Guilty. If this isn't partisan politics then I don't know what is. We have a deeply flawed system.


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Message 3762 of 4306 (871590)
02-06-2020 7:22 AM
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02-05-2020 10:18 PM


Re: Acquittal
Every impeachment incident has been along party lines. Impeachment is a political function.

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Message 3763 of 4306 (871596)
02-06-2020 10:12 AM
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02-06-2020 7:22 AM


Re: Acquittal
Every impeachment incident has been along party lines. Impeachment is a political function.

With one exception.

We've had three presidential trials in US history, one per century. In the Johnson and Clinton trials, no senator of the President's party voted to convict and remove. None.

This time there was something new: a senator of the same party as the President voted to convict and remove.

Therefore, in a historic first we did have a bi-partisan vote to convict and remove Trump.


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Message 3764 of 4306 (871598)
02-06-2020 10:58 AM


Time for a look back over the last few years.
From Message 1
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Trump did a good thing yesterday in using the bully pulpit, er, tweets to force the Republicans to reverse their trashing of the independent ethics committee. Here are a couple other good things Trump wants to do:

Change health insurance to a single payer system. I'm not sure he was serious about this, and I don't know what the details are.

Repeal the tax law that allows the wealthy to transform interest earnings into long term capital gains that are taxed at about half the rate. This is the law that allows Mitt Romney to pay only 20% in taxes every year when his actual tax bracket is 39.6%.


So what has been the progress on those items so far? How's the Independent Ethics Committee doing today? Has the Single Payer been found yet? And have the tax breaks for the wealthy been curbed yet?

Have the Democrats thwarted every attempt of President Trump to push through those reforms?


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Message 3765 of 4306 (871614)
02-06-2020 5:44 PM
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02-05-2020 10:18 PM


Re: Acquittal
Hyroglyphx writes:

We have a deeply flawed system.

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…"--Winston Churchill


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