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Message 4141 of 4573 (879609)
07-18-2020 8:03 PM


US Federal Brownshirts
Turns out the corps of US Federal Brownshirts doing their Nazi thing in Portland are not trained professionals but unqualified amateurs.
Federal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said - The New York Times
This administration just gets worse and worse.
Where is the outpouring of protest against this display of official government fascism and abuse of power?
Where are the armed patriots sworn to protect the nation from the abuses of government gone horribly bad?
Where is the Second Amendment crowd?
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Message 4142 of 4573 (879874)
07-24-2020 12:00 AM
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07-18-2020 8:03 PM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Paul
AZ writes:
Where are the armed patriots sworn to protect the nation from the abuses of government gone horribly bad?
Sitting on the sidelines allowing the Government employees to do their job.
Since when is it an abuse of power to protect Federal Buildings from being destroyed by a mob determined to destroy the Federal buildings in Portland?
God Bless,

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Message 4143 of 4573 (879876)
07-24-2020 12:49 AM
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Re: US Federal Brownshirts
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Sitting on the sidelines allowing the Government employees to do their job.
So much for defending the Constitution.
quote:
Since when is it an abuse of power to protect Federal Buildings from being destroyed by a mob determined to destroy the Federal buildings in Portland?
Don’t be silly. The justification for their presence is graffiti on Federal buildings - a little short of destruction, don’t you think? And they are snatching peaceful protestors off the streets.
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Message 4144 of 4573 (879877)
07-24-2020 5:04 AM
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07-24-2020 12:00 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
It's not the justification that is the problem, Reverend, it's the extrajudicial methods. Federal agents operating in combat uniforms, no insignia, no ID, operating in a police function without local authority, arresting people without warrant, taking violent action against peaceful protesters for exercising a constitutional right..
These are the very types of government actions we fought a war over.

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Message 4145 of 4573 (879878)
07-24-2020 7:14 AM
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07-24-2020 5:04 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
In that regard Paul, this is an interesting (and fairly short) read: How Did the Nazis Gain Power in Germany? - The New York Times
I keep banging this drum, I know, but I like to drive home to as many of our readers as I can, that if we don’t learn from our historical mistakes, we are condemned to repeat them. And Trump’s supporters don’t realise just how extensively they’re repeating the mistakes which led to the rise of Nazism.
As mistakes go, there’s none bigger.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4146 of 4573 (879899)
07-24-2020 7:50 PM


yet he defunded planned parenthood which is the biggest nazi organization in the world
no brakes

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Message 4147 of 4573 (879901)
07-24-2020 9:16 PM
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Put up or shutup, defend this comment or retract it! Planned Parenthood provides pregnancy and prenatal care as well and in many many places it is the only provider of these services.
Edited by kjsimons, : typo

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Message 4148 of 4573 (879902)
07-24-2020 9:39 PM
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Re: US Federal Brownshirts
And Trump’s supporters don’t realise just how extensively they’re repeating the mistakes which led to the rise of Nazism.
Worse, still -- maybe some of them do realize it.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 4149 of 4573 (879904)
07-25-2020 12:03 AM
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07-24-2020 5:04 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Paul,
AZPaul writes:
It's not the justification that is the problem, Reverend, it's the extrajudicial methods. Federal agents operating in combat uniforms, no insignia, no ID, operating in a police function without local authority, arresting people without warrant, taking violent action against peaceful protesters for exercising a constitutional right..
Extrajudicial methods. Do you mean arresting people and charging then with a felony when they deface a federal building. That is a felony not a right.
When you got people attacking you with all kinds of projectiles including molotov
cocktail's you would not want to have your Church clothes on.
no insignia, no ID, Why would any of those things be required as long as they are on the Federal Property protecting it from the people determined to destroy the buildings.
operating in a police function without local authority, Why is any local authority required when it is mandated by the constitution that the Federal employees protect the buildings. It can get bad enough that the marines can be deployed to protect the Federal Buildings just as they do in foreign countries.
arresting people without warrant, Since when is a warrant required to arrest someone in the process of committing a felony. Defacing a Federal Building is a Felony.
taking violent action against peaceful protesters for exercising a constitutional right..
I haven't seen anyone arrested for exercising their right of peaceful protesting.
For a protest to be peaceful there can be no impediment to foot traffic or auto traffic. No missiles of any kind can be thrown at buildings or those protecting the Federal Buildings. Sledge hammers would not be allowed to beat on the buildings with. And a permit is also required.
In my lifetime I have been involved in several peaceful protests.
What you see in Portland and other Cities are not peaceful protests.
AZPaul writes:
These are the very types of government actions we fought a war over.
What war was that?
If you are referring to the war with England I think you have your facts mixed up. I was taught we fought that war because of taxation without representation. With England trying to impose their will on the colonies.
God Bless,

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Message 4150 of 4573 (879905)
07-25-2020 12:33 AM
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07-24-2020 12:49 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Paulk,
Paulk writes:
So much for defending the Constitution.
You really would not want a militia protecting the buildings in Portland would you?
Paulk writes:
Don’t be silly. The justification for their presence is graffiti on Federal buildings
Defacing a Federal Building is a felony. injuring a federal official is a felony and several have permanent eye damage due to attacks by the rioters. One officer was hit in the head with a sledge hammer that was being used to try and break down the door.
So you paint it any way you want too. To me it is total anarchy and should be brought to an end with every rioter being locked up for a long time. No one has any right to destroy someone else's property in Portland alone over 23 million dollars worth of damage has been done to private property and local government owned taxpayers property.
The stated aim is to destroy the Federal Courthouse.
Paulk writes:
And they are snatching peaceful protestors off the streets.
The only one's who have been arrested is those who have committed felonies.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4151 of 4573 (879906)
07-25-2020 12:49 AM
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07-25-2020 12:03 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
no insignia, no ID, Why would any of those things be required as long as they are on the Federal Property protecting it from the people determined to destroy the buildings.
they're not exclusively on federal property, they're driving around in rental cars snatching people off the streets for "proactive arrests", arresting people who haven't committed a crime.
Why is any local authority required when it is mandated by the constitution that the Federal employees protect the buildings.
show me where the department of homeland security is in the constitution. Show me where "proactive arrests" are allowed in the constitution
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Message 4152 of 4573 (879909)
07-25-2020 1:49 AM
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Re: US Federal Brownshirts
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You really would not want a militia protecting the buildings in Portland would you?
At least you agree that the militia are lying hypocrites who actually want a tyranny. I don’t want them involved but if they lived up to their rhetoric they should certainly be objecting to the Federal government’s actions.
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Defacing a Federal Building is a felony. injuring a federal official is a felony and several have permanent eye damage due to attacks by the rioters. One officer was hit in the head with a sledge hammer that was being used to try and break down the door.
Then why is the justification for the deployment a series of graffiti attacks?
And the eye injuries I hear about are those inflicted on innocent people by police firing baton rounds at their heads.
quote:
So you paint it any way you want too. To me it is total anarchy and should be brought to an end with every rioter being locked up for a long time. No one has any right to destroy someone else's property in Portland alone over 23 million dollars worth of damage has been done to private property and local government owned taxpayers property.
Even if that were true - and I very much doubt it, how is it an excuse for picking up innocent people off of the street? In violation of the Constitution?
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The only one's who have been arrested is those who have committed felonies.
That is certainly untrue.
Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed broken quote

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Message 4153 of 4573 (879912)
07-25-2020 2:49 AM
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Re: US Federal Brownshirts
It doesnt look much better now in Denver.
Denver to create campsites, consider tax hike to help people experiencing homelessness.
The thing is, if the city breaks up these campsites it will just cause more potential shoplifers to move down Colfax nearer to my grocery store. We have a $2,000.00 loss every day now as is. Times are getting tougher and potentially will affect more classes of people.

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Message 4154 of 4573 (879915)
07-25-2020 11:09 AM
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Sanger’s eugenics creed is clearly stated in her speech My Way to Peace (1932). The centerpiece of the program is vigorous state use of compulsory sterilization and segregation. The first class of persons targeted for sterilization is made up of people with mental or physical disability. The first step would be to control the intake and output on morons, mental defectives, epileptics. A much larger class of undesirables would be forced to choose either sterilization or placement in state work camps. The second step would be to take an inventory of the second group, such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection and segregate them on farms and open spaces. Those segregated in these camps could return to mainstream society if they underwent sterilization and demonstrated good behavior. Sanger estimates that 15 million to 20 million Americans would be targeted in this regime of forced sterilization and concentration camps. In Sanger, the humanitarian dream of a world without poverty and illness has deteriorated into a coercive world where the poor, the disabled and the addicted simply disappear.
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Message 4155 of 4573 (879916)
07-25-2020 11:25 AM
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The founder did indeed have some awful thoughts and ideas, but that has nothing to do with the modern Planned Parenthood organization, so try again.

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