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proudly roman catholic
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Message 4156 of 4246 (879924)
07-25-2020 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 4155 by kjsimons
07-25-2020 11:25 AM


that's a very disingenuous statement. judging they're the largest genocide provider in the united states and sterilize their trans clients with hormone treatments, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. sanger would be proud of modern planned parenthood. your political beliefs bear a much larger semblance to the credo of nazism than your maligned "trump supporters". too bad you can't send them to camps, fraulein

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Message 4157 of 4246 (879927)
07-25-2020 3:48 PM
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07-25-2020 1:38 PM


You need to seek professional help with you mental and cognitive issues if you honestly think Planned Parenthood is a not only a genocide provider, but the largest one in the US. So pray tell, who are the other genocide providers or is this just the term you use to indicate organizations that offer abortion services? You do know that many abortions are medically necessary procedures? Are the doctors who do those ones also "genocide providers" too?

As to nazism, no that is much closer to the populist movement of the far right which I'm no where near. Again seek professional help, you need it.


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Message 4158 of 4246 (879963)
07-26-2020 10:14 PM
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07-25-2020 3:48 PM


maybe i can be "reeducated" in an asylum for political defectives.

my version of dissent is in the white house.

if the spirit convicts you, life begins at conception.

but the spirit is not in you. you are not grafted onto the tree of life

your tree of knowledge bears no good fruit.


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Message 4159 of 4246 (879964)
07-26-2020 11:02 PM
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07-26-2020 10:14 PM


So, you like presidents that pay hush money to porn stars that they cheated with when their third wife gave birth... and who has been accused by women for being provided by Epstein to them when they were underaged?

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Message 4160 of 4246 (879967)
07-26-2020 11:15 PM
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07-26-2020 11:02 PM


when did christians stop believing we're all sinners?

charity covers a multitude of sins

trump has done more for prolife than any US President.

he has also publicly acknowledged the greatness of JPII.

he may not be a good person, but few rarely are.

in the ways that count, he has come through for the religious right.

for that he has earned my respect.


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Message 4161 of 4246 (879970)
07-27-2020 1:03 AM
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07-26-2020 11:15 PM


charity covers a multitude of sins

so child rape is covered by being anti abortion, sounds about right for the catholic church.

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Message 4162 of 4246 (879971)
07-27-2020 1:35 AM
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07-26-2020 11:15 PM


quote:
when did christians stop believing we're all sinners?

When did they change their minds and decide that the President’s character didn’t matter? Oh, right. That would be when they decided to support Trump.

quote:
charity covers a multitude of sins

Whose charity? Maybe it’s time to point out that the Trump Foundation was poorly administered and the funds misused (for Trump’s convenience).

quote:
trump has done more for prolife than any US President.

Well great if you’re a single-issue voter who doesn’t care about anything else. But to be honest abortion is not a black-and-white issue. Hence the misleading “pro-life” label, rather than the accurate “anti-abortion”. Maybe if Ireland had been less strict Savita Halappanavar would still be alive.

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he has also publicly acknowledged the greatness of JPII.

Trump will talk people up and tear them down depending on whatever is most useful to him. It’s not really meaningful.

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he may not be a good person, but few rarely are.

He’s a pretty terrible person.

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in the ways that count, he has come through for the religious right.

for that he has earned my respect.


So it’s all about the unprincipled pursuit of political power. How “Christian”.


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Message 4163 of 4246 (879972)
07-27-2020 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 4152 by PaulK
07-25-2020 1:49 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Paulk,

Paulk writes:

At least you agree that the militia are lying hypocrites who actually want a tyranny. I don’t want them involved but if they lived up to their rhetoric they should certainly be objecting to the Federal government’s actions.

Why would I or any other law abiding citizen have a problem with Federal Employees doing their job? That is what we pay them a salary to do.

Paulk writes:

Then why is the justification for the deployment a series of graffiti attacks?

Painting graffiti on Federal buildings and beating on them with a sledge hammer is defacing the property and is a felony.

quote:
The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both. See Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Pub. L. 103-322, § 330016, 108 Stat. 1796, 2146-47 (1994)

Doing a little damage to a building can bring a heavy penalty. You do realize that someone having to paint over graffiti could run up a $100 bill in an hour's worth of work by a contractor.

Paulk writes:

And the eye injuries I hear about are those inflicted on innocent people by police firing baton rounds at their heads.

Why would police be involved when we are talking about Federal Building being attacked by mobs of people. Who were throwing bottles of urine and other liquids that were hitting Federal employees and causing the damage I mentioned.

Paulk writes:

Even if that were true - and I very much doubt it, how is it an excuse for picking up innocent people off of the street? In violation of the Constitution?

Why would you doubt it? You can see the damage on TV.

Paulk writes:

That is certainly untrue.

Lets just look at the law that controls the actions of the Federal Employees guarding the Federal Courthouse in Portland.

Homeland Security Act of 2002.40 U>SD> code 1315 Law enforcement authority of homeland security for protection of Public Property.
(c) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States commited in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has grounds to reasonaglely believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony.

The secretary of Homeland Security has stated on national TV that they will protect the courthouse.

If a person wants a confrontation with Federal agents all they have to do is approach the fence with intent to breach the perimeter around the courthouse. In doing so a confrontation will occur.

If a person does not want a confrontation all they have to do is not approach the fence with intent to breach the perimeter. That seems simple to me.

Simple illustration, if you don't want a speeding ticket don't speed. If you don't want to get arrested don't break the law. If you want to have a peaceful protest get a permit and then obey the rules for the protest.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4164 of 4246 (879973)
07-27-2020 1:56 AM
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07-27-2020 1:37 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
quote:
Why would I or any other law abiding citizen have a problem with Federal Employees doing their job? That is what we pay them a salary to do.

It is? I thought Federal employers were meant to follow the Constitution.

quote:
Painting graffiti on Federal buildings and beating on them with a sledge hammer is defacing the property and is a felony.

Graffiti is hardly a major offence that calls for a heavy deployment of additional men, let alone kidnapping people off the streets or tear-gassing peaceful protestors.

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Why would police be involved when we are talking about Federal Building being attacked by mobs of people. Who were throwing bottles of urine and other liquids that were hitting Federal employees and causing the damage I mentioned.

Because that’s what they’re paid for?

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Why would you doubt it? You can see the damage on TV.

I don’t watch much TV. Besides it gets less coverage over here.

quote:
Lets just look at the law that controls the actions of the Federal Employees guarding the Federal Courthouse in Portland.

Homeland Security Act of 2002.40 U>SD> code 1315 Law enforcement authority of homeland security for protection of Public Property.
(c) make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States commited in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has grounds to reasonaglely believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony.


And they’ve been breaking that by arresting people without any such grounds.

Like Mark Pettibone


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Message 4165 of 4246 (879974)
07-27-2020 2:07 AM
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07-25-2020 12:49 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Dr,

Dr Jones writes:

they're not exclusively on federal property, they're driving around in rental cars snatching people off the streets for "proactive arrests", arresting people who haven't committed a crime.

I can not find any place where Federal Agents were making arrests on the streets of Portland.

If you have evidence of such taking place I would like to see the pictures.

In fact the only times I find that the Federal officers left the building was when damage was being done to the premises and they had to leave the building to repel the rioters.

Dr Jones writes:

show me where the department of homeland security is in the constitution.

The Federal Government has one duty and that is to protect the homeland from attack from without and within.

In 2002 the congress of the United States passed the Homeland Security Act. which places the Homeland Security branch of government with the duty of protecting Federal Buildings. If a person does $100 worth of damage to a Federal building they can face up to $250,000 fine and 10 years in Federal prison.

Dr Jones writes:

Show me where "proactive arrests" are allowed in the constitution

You and others here are the only ones I have heard talking about proactive arrests.

In fact I have seen people on live TV break down doors and enter and loot stores. Even set them on fire and burn businesses to the ground and no one even get arrested or charged with any crime.

I guess you think that is OK and they have a constitutional right to be able to do that.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4166 of 4246 (879976)
07-27-2020 2:41 AM
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07-27-2020 1:56 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
Hi Paulk,

Paulk writes:

It is? I thought Federal employers were meant to follow the Constitution.

Please explain what you are talking about.

Paulk writes:

Graffiti is hardly a major offence that calls for a heavy deployment of additional men, let alone kidnapping people off the streets or tear-gassing peaceful protestors.

It would not take much graffiti to cause a repair bill to exceed $100 dollars. If you were to cause $100 damage to a Federal building you could be fined up to $250,000 and sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison. I don't call that minor and I did not pass the law that carries those types of penalty.

Paulk writes:

Because that’s what they’re paid for?

But the Portland Police Force is not employees of the Federal Government neither are they the ones who are protecting the Federal Courthouse in Portland.

Paulk writes:

And they’ve been breaking that by arresting people without any such grounds.

There is a lot of wiggle room in reasonably belief.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4167 of 4246 (879977)
07-27-2020 2:50 AM
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07-27-2020 2:41 AM


Re: US Federal Brownshirts
quote:
Please explain what you are talking about.

Picking people off the streets without reason to think they’ve committed a crime is illegal under the Fourth Amendment.

quote:
It would not take much graffiti to cause a repair bill to exceed $100 dollars. If you were to cause $100 damage to a Federal building you could be fined up to $250,000 and sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison. I don't call that minor and I did not pass the law that carries those types of penalty.

So, the law is ridiculously harsh which justifies going even further. That’s absurd.

quote:
But the Portland Police Force is not employees of the Federal Government neither are they the ones who are protecting the Federal Courthouse in Portland.

But the police would normally do that job, wouldn’t they?

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There is a lot of wiggle room in reasonably belief.

But not enough. Wanting to question somebody - who was not breaking the law - doesn’t justify bundling them into an unmarked van and taking them away without explanation. And that is exactly what happened to Mark Pettibone.


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Message 4168 of 4246 (879981)
07-27-2020 8:24 AM
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07-27-2020 1:03 AM


laughable you thought this would sting. the FSM never healed anybody, idiot.

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Message 4169 of 4246 (879982)
07-27-2020 8:28 AM
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07-27-2020 1:35 AM


i keep forgetting that the FSM idiots around here are the arbiters of what is christian

you want to be us yet you can't even see us

blind deaf dumb


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Message 4170 of 4246 (879984)
07-27-2020 8:50 AM
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07-27-2020 8:28 AM


quote:
i keep forgetting that the FSM idiots around here are the arbiters of what is christian

Then perhaps you’d like to explain why the unprincipled pursuit of political power is Christian.

quote:
you want to be us yet you can't even see us

I’d rather be a Christian than be you.

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blind deaf dumb

You wish,


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