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ICANT
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Message 4396 of 4573 (883267)
11-25-2020 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 4395 by vimesey
11-24-2020 1:09 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Hi vimesey
vimesey writes:
Denying that the United States is a democracy seems a new approach to smoothing the path for populist takeover. May I ask where you came across the notion ?
I get it from our constitution.
The majority does not rule as it does in a democracy.
Each state has 2 senators regardless of the population of the state.
When it comes to changing the constitution each state gets 1 vote to ratify or deny. At the present it requires 38 states ratifying an amendment to change our constitution.
If the US was a democracy less than 10 states could control everything.
It is also in our pledge to the flag.
quote:
I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4397 of 4573 (883271)
11-25-2020 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 4396 by ICANT
11-25-2020 12:17 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Hi ICANT
You're not following the point I'm making. Democracy is a collective noun for a lot of different governments around the world. Those governments differ in the detail, but not in the principles which qualify them as belonging to the group that is called democracies. Have a look at this Wiki page:
Democracy - Wikipedia
I'm saying to you that you have a dog. You're saying to me that you don't have a dog, you have a Golden Retriever.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4398 of 4573 (883272)
11-25-2020 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 4396 by ICANT
11-25-2020 12:17 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
ICANT writes:
The majority does not rule as it does in a democracy.
The United States is a democratic republic.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 4399 of 4573 (883283)
11-25-2020 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 4398 by ringo
11-25-2020 11:08 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
ringo writes:
The United States is a democratic republic.
And its telling how we are split roughly down the middle politically. Thank God no one side dominates!
On the one hand you would have conservative fascists and on the other you would witches running the place!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Message 4400 of 4573 (883286)
11-25-2020 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 4392 by dwise1
11-19-2020 4:49 PM


Re: The Grift Going On?
Web site for it already
https:\\donaldjtrump2024.com

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ramoss
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Message 4401 of 4573 (883287)
11-25-2020 5:17 PM
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11-25-2020 3:25 PM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Witches are much more fun.

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ICANT
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Message 4402 of 4573 (883290)
11-26-2020 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 4398 by ringo
11-25-2020 11:08 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
The United States is a democratic republic.
Could you explain what a democratic republic is?
I know what a democracy a majority rules.
In a republic the majority does not rule.
If it did there would have never been a president Trump as Hillary got the majority of the votes.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 4403 of 4573 (883291)
11-26-2020 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 4397 by vimesey
11-25-2020 3:51 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Hi vimesey
vimesey writes:
I'm saying to you that you have a dog. You're saying to me that you don't have a dog, you have a Golden Retriever. rule
No I am saying I got a cat.
From your source:
quote:
Prevalent day-to-day decision making of democracies is the majority rule
As I posted to ringo if the US was a democracy where the majority rules we would never have had a president Trump.
quote:
Hillary Clinton Officially Wins Popular Vote by Nearly 2.9 Million
Hillary Clinton Officially Wins Popular Vote by Nearly 2.9 Million - ABC News
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 4404 of 4573 (883294)
11-26-2020 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 4402 by ICANT
11-26-2020 12:59 AM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
OK, you are part theologian, part apologist, part whatever else, who cares.
And I have no doubt that you have found that there are people who don't like you for what you do. Have you ever asked why that might be? Is it that typical "persecuted Christian" martyrdom bullshit that you keep trying to milk? That Jesus had said that you would be persecuted in His Name? Well, first, you are not being persecuted and, second, none of the massive negative feedback you may get is in "His Name". All of that massive negative feedback you get is totally and completely because of your own misdeeds.
I would suggest that that is mostly due to you being so legalistic. You think similarly to a lawyer, which is an unpopular critter. Why? Because lawyers, especially the worst of them, tend to operate through the definitions of words, extending them, bending them, breaking them, redefining them, and just plain ignoring what they actually mean. AKA "weasel wording". Which is exactly what theologians and especially apologists do. The moment an apologist goes running to a dictionary, you know exactly what kind of deception he is planning.
Scientists are completely different from that. They see things for what they are, so they try to find the words to describe what the reality that they are seeing. They try to classify what they are seeing. They seek to describe reality, not redefine it.
You are taking classic definitions and then try to pigeon-hole real-world things into it (the success of which depends largely on the size of that poor pigeon's hole). That is not how it works! Instead, we observe the system in place and how it works and from that try to classify it and describe how it works.
IOW, the entire evolution (Navy-speak) is descriptive, not prescriptive. We are describing what is instead of what we would instead what it to be.
Could you explain what a democratic republic is?
A democratic republic is where the government is run by representatives of the populace who have been elected by the populace in a democratic process; ie, a free and fair election.
Simple. Direct. So why is that simple and direct concept so far beyond your ken?
And why are you so intent on practicing your deception?
And you dare to drag your god into your anti-American efforts? In the Gospels, Jesus himself (ever hear of him?) promised the hypocrites that they would have their reward. Are you lining up eagerly for your reward? It might not taste as you image it would.

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Message 4405 of 4573 (883295)
11-26-2020 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4404 by dwise1
11-26-2020 2:53 AM


Trump's most recent terrorist attack on the US
Today is a frightening example of the great harm Trump has done and will continue to do to the US and the world by unleashing the Christian Cult of Ignorance. The Supreme Court ruled that the State of New York cannot impose limits on the number of people gathering for church services.
Even though there is clear, compelling and overwhelming evidence that such gathering pose an immediate and direct threat to the general population it demonstrated that when there is a majority of religious nutjobs in power reason, science and evidence are ignored in the favor of dogma and fantasy.

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Message 4406 of 4573 (883296)
11-26-2020 8:08 AM
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11-26-2020 7:32 AM


Re: Trump's most recent terrorist attack on the US
Absolutely - and an all-loving, all-caring, all-virtuous God would of course insist that his worshipers spread a deadly disease in large gatherings to worship him, rather than perfectly happily doing it privately and safely. He’s nice like that.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4407 of 4573 (883297)
11-26-2020 8:19 AM


This is the most unbelievable story. If ever there was an argument that god, intelligence and religion are in no way related this is it.
Bishop David is the latest person among the top clergy to get the virus, raising concerns in the Balkans that the Orthodox Church could be helping to spread the virus with its doctrine that true believers can't get infected during Holy Communion and other church services.
But the two most senior Serb religious leaders the patriarch and Bishop Amfilohije died after COVID-19 complications. They both downplayed the dangers of the pandemic, avoided wearing masks in public and Amfilohije described large religious gatherings as God’s vaccine.
Thousands of people on Sunday attended the funeral of the Serbian patriarch. Irinej, 90, who died on Friday, three weeks after attending the funeral of Amfilohije in neighboring Montenegro during which mourners kissed his remains lying in an open casket.
On Sunday, many mourners and most priests holding the funeral service in the massive St. Sava Temple in the Serbian capital, Belgrade, didn’t wear masks or adhere to social distancing inside the church, kissing the glass shield covering Irinej’s remains and even using a single spoon during Holy Communion.
In Greece, the powerful Orthodox Church has insisted this practice can't transmit the disease as it is the body and blood of Christ.
Virus deaths of senior Serb religious leaders triggers alarm - ABC News

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 4408 of 4573 (883298)
11-26-2020 9:06 AM


The Kraken Has Been Unleashed
And apparently the plan is to make opponents laugh themselves to death.
Sidney Powell’s latest batshit lawsuit manages to misspell District. Twice. In the header of the complaint.
I’m sure that’s an indication of quality legal work...

  
Phat
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Message 4409 of 4573 (883299)
11-26-2020 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 4401 by ramoss
11-25-2020 5:17 PM


Re: Trump's not your real problem
Im being serious! But I like your sense of humor!
I likely will never coinvince you guys that the supernatural...errr I mean the UNEXPLAINED...is real. You might someday see it for yourself.
And no jar, I am not one of "them" that prefers fantasy over reality. I have seen enough evidence in my own eyes.
Anyway I hope all of you have a blessed Thanksgiving!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Phat
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Message 4410 of 4573 (883300)
11-26-2020 10:21 AM
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11-26-2020 8:19 AM


COVID at Church
I do agree with you that many doctrines of organized religion need to come out of the dark ages. Holy Communion may well protect us spiritually but it is wise to be cautious and acknowledge that science is science and not witchcraft.
We wear masks at church and we dont drink from the same cup. We use Lysol in the church bathrooms and floors. Once we determine that our brethren or sisters are not sick (imprecise to be sure...we don't check each others temperature) we let our guard down a bit, just as one would do with a close friend or family member. But my point is that we use caution and not just faith.
Our Pastor even caught COVID. He quarantined properly. We met over zoom for awhile and I believe we are doing it again. I dont attend every meeting.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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