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AZPaul3
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Message 4516 of 4573 (883743)
01-09-2021 4:44 PM
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01-09-2021 3:39 PM


Re: Missing Faith.
My poor dear. She's fallen deeper into dementia than I thought possible.

I still hold a soft sweet spot for her but, damn, that's evil.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4517 of 4573 (883751)
01-09-2021 8:37 PM
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01-09-2021 3:39 PM


Re: Missing Faith.
I for one, do NOT miss Faith, and your link serves as a reminder as to why.

The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 4518 of 4573 (883758)
01-10-2021 7:53 AM
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01-09-2021 8:37 PM


Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
I gotta admit though that for the first time in his life Trump actually succeeded in Making America Great Again.

He lost the Presidency, the Senate AND the House.

Happy days are here again,
The skies above are clear again
Let us sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again!

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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Message 4519 of 4573 (883759)
01-10-2021 8:29 AM
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Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
I read a report this morning (can't remember where) that Melania is working through a post nup agreement and is getting ready to file for divorce.

Oddly, I think that that sort of thing is more likely to damage Trump's status in the eyes of his deluded mob than most other stuff. "Look at that guy - he can't hold on to his lady."

Maybe one of the post-nup terms is that she can't officially leave him until he's paid for someone hot to shack up with him for a few months.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4520 of 4573 (883760)
01-10-2021 8:42 AM
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01-10-2021 8:29 AM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
It's unlikely to have any effect since Melania was wife #3 already. This will also be divorce #3.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 4521 of 4573 (883761)
01-10-2021 8:44 AM
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01-10-2021 8:42 AM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
True enough.

Little bit of schadenfreude if it's legit though :-)

Edited by vimesey, : Phone emojis don't work :-(


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Message 4522 of 4573 (883771)
01-10-2021 12:37 PM
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01-10-2021 8:29 AM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
Oddly, I think that that sort of thing is more likely to damage Trump's status in the eyes of his deluded mob than most other stuff.

I doubt that. The Trump mob will see Melania as an immigrant, and they do not like immigrants.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 4523 of 4573 (883772)
01-10-2021 12:44 PM
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01-10-2021 7:53 AM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
He lost the Presidency, the Senate AND the House.
No one side should have all that power. What will end up happening if we are not careful is that they will swing the pendulum too far left and it will empower the right to overcorrect it yet again. I say make small changes in line with what the people can handle. If the far left gets their way, the fgar right will get antsy demanding a rematch down the road.

Besides I thought you claimed to be conservative anyway!!


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Message 4524 of 4573 (883773)
01-10-2021 1:05 PM
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01-10-2021 12:44 PM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
quote:
No one side should have all that power.

The Republicans did at the start of Trump’s term. And their margin in the Senate wasn’t the bare minimum either.

quote:
What will end up happening if we are not careful is that they will swing the pendulum too far left and it will empower the right to overcorrect it yet again

Biden is hardly an extremist, the bare minimum majority in the Senate means that even one Democrat abstaining from a vote could cause a defeat. And then there’s quite a lot that needs to be undone from the Trump years. Not to mention the mid-term elections can change things.

Or in short, there’s really no chance of Biden being able to go “too far”.

I worry more that large numbers of Republican Representatives voted to challenge that State’s votes to try to keep Trump’s hold in the Presidency. Trumpism is a big problem for the US and unless it’s contained a Democrat majority is probably better for you.


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Message 4525 of 4573 (883774)
01-10-2021 2:05 PM
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01-10-2021 12:44 PM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
I am a Conservative Phat but not a Fascist.

And there is NO Far Left or even Left in the US today. That Bernie Sanders or AOC can be considered as Leftist is simply another example of how utterly ******** Americans are today.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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AZPaul3
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Message 4526 of 4573 (883778)
01-10-2021 3:11 PM
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01-10-2021 2:05 PM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
I am a Conservative Phat but not a Fascist.

Are you sure? You got a proper birth certificate? Germany? Arkansas?


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4527 of 4573 (883779)
01-10-2021 3:26 PM
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01-10-2021 3:11 PM


Re: Trump finally succeeds for the first time in his life.
Actually I do have a birth certificate and it's official and also incorrect. Never have been able to get it fixed.

When I was born my Dad was on his four year all expense paid tour of Northern Africa, Italy and the Middle East. The Birth Certificate shows my Dad was born in Baltimore Missouri (Baltimore MO) rather than Baltimore Maryland (MD). I've tried getting it corrected but they go by what is seen on the many times photocopied records of handwritten forms filled out by my Maternal Grandmother.


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Message 4528 of 4573 (883789)
01-11-2021 7:23 PM


Four Years Later Here We Are
So, here we are with 11 days to go and the situation is damn close to what I predicted 4 years ago, "that slime ball will not go quietly or easily!"

Less than a week ago we have had an insurrection and coup trial run when they stormed the capitol with a mob of cannon fodder made up of the cultists. It is clearly obvious that the cult has infiltrated many law enforcement agencies. They have been getting ready for 4 fucking years.

I think we should expect a much larger and more precisely organized armed attack in DC coordinated with attacks on many state capitals. The Turd's toadies are in key positions in every agency. Our only hope is the utter incompetency of the Trump Cult, but they are fucking good at spreading chaos and they are armed to the teeth. I have a couple firearms but it's clear to me that armed individuals cannot stand against this mob.

Anyone remember the fucking Bundy's take over of Malheur Refuge? Those fuckers are all directly connected to the militias that attacked the capitol.

I fear there is going to be a lot of shooting before Biden is sworn in. I am hoping the pattern and conspiracy I think I see is just my brain trying to find familiar patterns in a chaotic system.

Good luck and safe passage to us all.


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AZPaul3
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Message 4529 of 4573 (883790)
01-11-2021 9:42 PM
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01-11-2021 7:23 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
I hope you're wrong. But even if you are wrong about the timing they will come out eventually. If not next week then next year, next decade. This is far from over.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4530 of 4573 (883791)
01-12-2021 5:51 AM
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01-11-2021 9:42 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
My two cents, for what it's worth.

I think there will be violence - I think there will be more deaths, perhaps even some lynchings. I think that the fascists think they can have their revolution, and will push it hard. The main actors in this shit shower are violent men, who desperately want to fight, maim and kill - they're not thinking much about the chances of success.

I think they will fail in overturning the US government. I think the majority of Americans will be disgusted and start to feel that this is not what they wanted. Large numbers of Proud Bois and Boogalooers will be arrested - those organisations will become proscribed and there will be an increased focus on domestic terrorism.

There will be a growing recognition of a divided society - and work will need to be done on both sides, to reach across that divide.

Part of the debate will need to focus on the Internet. It has become a thoroughly toxic environment, enabling extremism and the sort of populism which leads to fascism. Free speech is not a simplistic concept - it is nuanced and complex and is not absolute. (For example, I understand that it is already an offence in the States to incite a riot).

Get Arnie to tell some more stories about his father and grandfather and their friends in post-war Austria. They are poignant and carry weight - and he is a strong man's strong man. Get the stories out about what happened in Weimar Germany in the 20s and 30s. Run the parallels - they're powerful and easy to understand.

Be kind and sympathetic to Trump supporters - anger and condescension won't sell the product. Discuss and debate with a smile and with care. They won't be told, but they might start to listen, and their echo chamber might slowly crumble. It will take time.

This will be a marathon and not a sprint. And there will be a lot of pain - but the US is a country at the vanguard of democracy and freedom. And it needs to stay there.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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