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AZPaul3
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Message 4531 of 4573 (883792)
01-12-2021 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 4530 by vimesey
01-12-2021 5:51 AM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Be kind and sympathetic to Trump supporters - anger and condescension won't sell the product.

I disagree, strongly.

Stern measures, public censure, shaming, insult, loss of jobs, curtailing influence and power, and more, are justified and necessary or these seditionist criminals will come back quicker, stronger and more entitled than before.

The teltale is that at this point the republicans in congress refuse to disciline their own group of seditionists. No calls from the republican leadership or their caucuses have been made to censure and remove these traitor. They don't care. They are twisting and spinning every which way to excuse what happened at the Capitol seeking as much political advantage in the wake of this seditionist mess.

The republicans in congress are not interested in peaceful accommodation. They supported the Cheeto in his attempts to reverse the voice of the people. The loud public recriminations of outrage that should be coming from the republican side of the aisle are silent. That is assent to the sedition.

No accommodation. There are outrages that require hard recriminations to all involved as a warning to future insurrectionists. This is one of them.

No accommodation. No kindness. No sympathy. Five lives were lost. All involved should be charged, tried and imprisoned for murder.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4532 of 4573 (883794)
01-12-2021 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 4531 by AZPaul3
01-12-2021 3:19 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
It's not the perpetrators and violent bastards I'm referring to - it's the people who voted for them, and will next time if we don't tempt some of them away from the dark side.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4533 of 4573 (883795)
01-12-2021 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4531 by AZPaul3
01-12-2021 3:19 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
No accommodation. There are outrages that require hard recriminations to all involved as a warning to future insurrectionists. This is one of them.

No accommodation. No kindness. No sympathy. Five lives were lost. All involved should be charged, tried and imprisoned for murder.

I really, strongly AGREE with you!

If these fuckers and their enablers in Congress get control they will be far worse than Nazi Germany. They will endanger every single human on this planet.

THEY WILL MAKE EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM HUMANITY FACES WORSE!

That was a murderous mob that stormed the capitol! Just think about a mob of those assholes in your town!

The republicans in Congress sided with the mob against the country and the Constitution! The United States of America is right on the brink of ending in the next week!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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AZPaul3
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Message 4534 of 4573 (883796)
01-12-2021 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 4532 by vimesey
01-12-2021 4:17 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
It's not the perpetrators and violent bastards I'm referring to - it's the people who voted for them ...

So am I.

No accommodation.

You know what is happening here. Europeans had their own experience with them last century.

The Nazis are back. The hard-core alt-reich. We tend to list only the more infamous of them, like the proud boys, etc., but there are literally 1000s of such groups in this country spread all throughout and energized by that Trump vote.

The Nazis are back.

We all know what has to happen next.

But we’ll start by doing this as legally (stretched) as may be allowed. They will bring the rough stuff soon enough that will require stronger responses. When they come for war we will “accommodate” that request. They will have it.

Online, wherever they seek to congregate, must be exposed and ridiculed, insulted and threatened in whatever legal ways possible.

Center on military and local police where many Nazis now dwell. They need to be found, exposed, and set to public ridicule. Then fired. Massive public protest if they are “accommodated”. Same for the county sheriff, justice of the peace, any official in any capacity who displays any racist, alt-right emblems on any media or whose speeches, utterances, tweets and sympathies are known to be hate-based bigotry. There are plenty of them around.

For all such hate groups identified, membership should be grounds for hate crimes jail-time increases whenever and wherever a nazi is convicted of any crime.
Missed child support. Parking. Well, ok, maybe not … yet.

We need to find these people and expose them now. I hope we have the will.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4535 of 4573 (883797)
01-12-2021 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4527 by jar
01-10-2021 3:26 PM


jar, everyone, be Careful!
This is not an actual reply to your message.

It looks like Trump is heading to Alamo for a disease spreading rally. Unless you are fully vaccinated, Alamo is too close to your last known location and your in a high risk category. Trump is coming and disease follows. Beware!

This message is for you specifically and for everyone else generally, hence the unusual manner in which I am posting.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 4536 of 4573 (883798)
01-12-2021 5:29 PM
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01-12-2021 5:02 PM


Re: jar, everyone, be Careful!
Remember (Trump doesn't) that Mission was the family homestead (about a quarter mile from my house) of the Bentsens.

El Donaldo came and left and was welcomed by crowds (about 75 people) that had to be vetted and then stand outside in windy 40F weather for four hours waiting for the coward-in-chief to arrive.

What was scary though was part of his speech where he said that Pelosi and Schumer were in very great danger.

He also claimed he completed the wall and folk cheered.

He also said that this is still a witch hunt and that Joe Biden better be careful and he may get what he wished for.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 4537 of 4573 (883799)
01-12-2021 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4534 by AZPaul3
01-12-2021 5:01 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Center on military and local police where many Nazis now dwell. They need to be found, exposed, and set to public ridicule. Then fired. Massive public protest if they are “accommodated”. Same for the county sheriff, justice of the peace, any official in any capacity who displays any racist, alt-right emblems on any media or whose speeches, utterances, tweets and sympathies are known to be hate-based bigotry. There are plenty of them around.

You have to wonder how many more traitors like Flynn there are in the military.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 4538 of 4573 (883800)
01-12-2021 5:44 PM
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01-12-2021 5:40 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Flynn was bad enough at that level but what concerns me more or the Timothy McVeighs.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 4539 of 4573 (883801)
01-12-2021 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4536 by jar
01-12-2021 5:29 PM


Re: jar, everyone, be Careful!
What was scary though was part of his speech where he said that Pelosi and Schumer were in very great danger.

He also claimed he completed the wall and folk cheered.

He also said that this is still a witch hunt and that Joe Biden better be careful and he may get what he wished for.

I think the inauguration should be in secure bunkers and Biden, Harris and Pelosi should all be in different places, otherwise there is a high risk of loosing them all to a drone or missile strike.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 4540 of 4573 (883802)
01-12-2021 6:01 PM
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01-12-2021 5:44 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Flynn was bad enough at that level but what concerns me more or the Timothy McVeighs.

I fear all the dangers they pose, plus nuclear weapons. Now top that...


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 4541 of 4573 (883803)
01-12-2021 6:16 PM
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01-12-2021 6:01 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Stop worrying. Trump is a supporter of Law & Order and has the backing of every police organization out there.

The Law Enforcement community is on top of all this.

Sleep tite.


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Message 4542 of 4573 (883804)
01-12-2021 7:02 PM
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01-12-2021 6:16 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
Thank you, jar. That was comforting.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 4543 of 4573 (883829)
01-13-2021 8:04 PM


Trump First President to be Impeached Twice
Trump was today impeached for the second time by the U.S. House of Representatives 232-197. Ten Republicans voted for impeachment.

In speeches before the vote most Republicans said nothing about the single impeachment article charging Trump with attempting to overturn a free and fair election and inciting an angry mob to attack the Capitol building to prevent Congress's official counting of the electoral college votes.

See Trump Impeached Again.

--Percy


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Message 4544 of 4573 (883830)
01-13-2021 8:50 PM
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01-13-2021 8:04 PM


Re: Trump First President to be Impeached Twice
And possibly the first president to be convicted.

He already made history in the first trial by having the first ever bipartisan vote to convict. In the trials of both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton no senator of their own party voted to convict. In Trump's first trial, Romney voted to convict on one of the two counts.

In speeches before the vote most Republicans said nothing about the single impeachment article charging Trump with attempting to overturn a free and fair election and inciting an angry mob to attack the Capitol building to prevent Congress's official counting of the electoral college votes.

I took formal logic in my first semester in college. Our textbook offered as an example of argumentum ad hominem the story of a trial lawyer's brief instructing him: "We have no case. Attack the opposing attorney."

Leading into the first impeachment, someone quoted an old adage among lawyers:

quote:
If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table and yell like hell.

Though as I recall, there was another stage in which you complain loudly about the process. Watching the House debates for the first impeachment I was struck by how every Democrat cited and argued the crimes in question while every single Republican (as I recall) completely ignored the crimes in question and only complained very loudly about the process -- actually several yielded their time to pedophile-enabler Jim Jordan who then launched into the same mindless harangue against the process.

Now this second time I kept seeing pretty much the same thing from the Republicans, though this time they kept appealing hypocritically for unity (which for the past 12 years they've been working so hard against).


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Phat
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Message 4545 of 4573 (883831)
01-14-2021 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 4528 by Tanypteryx
01-11-2021 7:23 PM


Re: Four Years Later Here We Are
hose fuckers are all directly connected to the militias that attacked the capitol.

I fear there is going to be a lot of shooting before Biden is sworn in.


I can't see it happening. Surely these patriot zealots are a definite minority. Time will tell, however. And what do the33y have to be mad about? Its not as if Trump did much for their socio-economic group.

I've been wrong before, however...

Proud Boys, indeed! They do behave like boys rather than men. Drunk Fraternity brats on a weekend binge, if you ask me.

Except for the five dead. That puts a chilling perspective on this riot..

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Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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