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New Cat's Eye
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Message 77 of 114 (824080)
11-22-2017 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Phat
11-22-2017 1:09 PM

Re: Evidence that Apostolic tradition that Catholics and Protestants accept is FALSE.
My point is that a reader is generally not interested in reading through your source material.

I scroll right passed those big blocks of copypasta...

They are more interested in your argument in your own words.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 79 of 114 (824084)
11-22-2017 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Aussie
11-22-2017 1:58 PM

Re: Conclusion
The problem with believing in things without evidence is that it gives you the luxury of believing anything you want to be true or wish were true.

I don't think so.

I found God. I don't really know that it is God, but I believe that it is without evidence.

That doesn't mean, to me, that I can believe that I can fly off a cliff even though I really want that to be true.

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Message 81 of 114 (824095)
11-22-2017 3:49 PM
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11-22-2017 3:10 PM

Re: Conclusion
Okay. Still though, believing in an unevidenced thing doesn't mean I can believe whatever I want.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 106 of 114 (824860)
12-04-2017 11:32 AM
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11-22-2017 4:14 PM

Re: Conclusion
What I said was in no way an insult. I have read your posts with great interest for years!

Thanks, I don't feel insulted.

But in the religious arena you DO believe what you want, what you want to be true.

Okay, for some things yes. Some things, no.

I don't believe in God because I want to. I believe in God because He responded and I know something is there.

I don't really know what it was, exactly, so as I try to deduce finer details I do start getting into preference and choice.

But at the root it isn't a choice, it's more of a conclusion.

Every religious person in the modern world is believing what they want, with zero evidence.

I can't agree to that.

Faith is a fancy sounding way of saying "I believe in vastly improbable things without a good reason to."

I dunno - if the believer didn't think they had a good reason to believe it then I don't see why they would.

There has to be some reason for believing particular things - otherwise peoples' beliefs would be unrecognizable chaos - and whether or not that reason is good enough is their call and not your's.

What isn't good enough for you may be good enough for another.

That's why religions have profoundly mutually exclusive articles of faith; because there is no way to validate the veracity of their claims.

That's true.

Religions are simply "People believing whatever they want."

I see what you're saying - maybe it's just a little too nuanced for me.

There's a lot of believing what you want in religion, but it's not just simply that.

And the religious beliefs on Earth are almost as vast as the human imagination. That should be a giant, flashing warning sign.

The data is a noisy mess and it's hard to make sense out of it

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