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Topic: Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 213 of 993 (798409)
02-02-2017 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
02-02-2017 10:32 AM
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Faith writes: Again, there is something so seriously wrong with the leftist mind it defies all reason.
In Soviet Union, reason defies YOU. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 218 of 993 (798415)
02-02-2017 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
02-02-2017 11:04 AM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Faith writes: ... if you don't hate evil you are not a Christian.
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Romans 2:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
i.e. Christians are just as "evil" as Muslims.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 217 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:04 AM | | Faith has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 224 of 993 (798421)
02-02-2017 11:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
02-02-2017 11:15 AM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Faith writes: ...it is the IDEOLOGY that prescribes this evil, it is NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THE MUSLIMS THEMSELVES.
But the people, the Muslims themselves, DO NOT HAVE the fantasy ideology that you project on them. The terrorists are a handful of whackos with an ideology that has nothing to do with Islam.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 221 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:15 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 226 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:24 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 227 of 993 (798424)
02-02-2017 11:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
02-02-2017 11:24 AM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Faith writes: Do I have to keep reinventing the wheel here?
What you're inventing is not a wheel. It's fiction. Have you ever actually met a Muslim?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 226 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:24 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 230 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:33 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 231 of 993 (798430)
02-02-2017 11:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
02-02-2017 11:33 AM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Faith writes: I've proved my point honestly and thoroughly.
Have you ever met a Muslim?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 230 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:33 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 232 by Faith, posted 02-02-2017 11:42 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 235 of 993 (798434)
02-02-2017 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 232 by Faith
02-02-2017 11:42 AM
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Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Faith writes: Yes, a very nice Syrian named Khalid, and many Iranians.
So how have you "proved" that they have an evil ideology?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 267 of 993 (798772)
02-05-2017 1:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 263 by Faith
02-05-2017 11:03 AM
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Faith writes: For a long time now, the "mainstream" cartoonists have geared their stuff predominantly to Leftist propaganda.
Maybe because the Right Wing doesn't have a sense of humour?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: jurisdiction
New Cat's Eye writes: And free speech, and arming yourself, and assembly, etc. Those are natural rights that every human has regardless of any constitution existing or not.
Arming yourself is not seen as a "natural right" in most places outside the US.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: jurisdiction
New Cat's Eye writes: ... nobody says that you can't pick up that chair leg to defend yourself with.
As I understand it, in Canadian law (and most civilized jurisdictions) self-defense is not a "natural right" but a mitigating factor - i.e. your punishment may be less if you acted in self-defense.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: jurisdiction
New Cat's Eye writes: Section 34 of the Criminal Code of Canada is explicit in justifying you defending yourself from unlawful assault.
Indeed, the key words being "Criminal Code". It is not a "natural right". It is a defense that can be used if YOU are charged with a crime.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 574 of 993 (799340)
02-09-2017 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 571 by NoNukes
02-09-2017 11:04 AM
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Re: jurisdiction
NoNukes writes: Ringo, your original claim included the idea that under Canadian law, self-defense was a mitigating factor that could reduce your penalty under the law. That claim was wrong.
That's a nice assertion but an empty one. Try harder.
NoNukes writes: Beyond that, if you cannot be charged with a crime, then quite obviously self-defense was not an issue, right?
That's exactly the point. If you're charged with shooting somebody, you can claim self-defense - and if the court accepts your claim your penalty may be less.
NoNukes writes: ... self-defense being used if you are charged with a crime is exactly the same as the state of affairs in the United States.
I didn't say otherwise. I only used Canada as an example because I am more aware of Canadian courts' response to self-defense claims.
NoNukes writes: when self-defense applies, it completely excuses the use of force;
No it doesn't. A self-defense claim is not a magical on/off switch. The courts don't decide that it absolutely was or was not self-defense. They take the reasonable likelihood of self-defense into account when making a decision.
NoNukes writes: Not natural law? Who cares?
It was just a nitpick. You can unbunch your panties any time.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 571 by NoNukes, posted 02-09-2017 11:04 AM | | NoNukes has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 581 of 993 (799349)
02-09-2017 12:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 579 by Faith
02-09-2017 12:13 PM
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Re: sovereignty
Faith writes: ... they hate national security....
"Give me national security or give me death."
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 628 of 993 (799437)
02-10-2017 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 604 by NoNukes
02-09-2017 7:05 PM
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Re: jurisdiction
NoNukes writes: Now, are you willing to support your claim that the law only mitigates your criminal liability rather than excusing it with something other than assertion?
Your quote does it for me. The court must decide on intent to cause death, on how much force was necessary, on whether or not there was reasonable apprehension of death, on whether his belief was based on reasonable grounds.... It isn't black and white. The court has to decide on a shade of gray. That's mitigation.
NoNukes writes: What do you think justification means?
Justification is not an eraser.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 604 by NoNukes, posted 02-09-2017 7:05 PM | | NoNukes has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 707 by NoNukes, posted 02-10-2017 10:21 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 633 of 993 (799447)
02-10-2017 11:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 629 by Faith
02-10-2017 11:37 AM
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Re: Conservative opinion
Faith writes: ... there are unfortunately quite a few Republicans who are sabotaging Trump in various ways already.
Checks and balances are not necessarily sabotage.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 629 by Faith, posted 02-10-2017 11:37 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 636 by Faith, posted 02-10-2017 12:07 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 638 of 993 (799456)
02-10-2017 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 636 by Faith
02-10-2017 12:07 PM
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Re: Conservative opinion
Faith writes: And sabotage is definitely not checks and balances; it's sabotage.
Sabotage is illegal. Challenging an executive order is not. In a democracy, executive orders should be challenged routinely.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 636 by Faith, posted 02-10-2017 12:07 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 639 by Faith, posted 02-10-2017 12:23 PM | | ringo has replied |
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