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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
xongsmith
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Message 154 of 993 (798264)
02-01-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by herebedragons
02-01-2017 11:26 AM


HBD writes:
The 14th Amendment is clear that ALL 'persons' within the jurisdiction of the United States have the protection of the Constitution and cannot be denied due process.
I presented the evidence using this link Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights complete with Supreme court rulings
quote:
In Wong Win v. United States (1896), the court ruled that:
It must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection by those amendments [Fifth and Sixth] and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
The matter was settled over 100 years ago!
So this means that GITMO is neither within the territory nor under the jurisdiction of the United States.
That explains it.

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xongsmith
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Message 882 of 993 (810003)
05-22-2017 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 880 by marc9000
05-22-2017 5:38 PM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
Marc writes:
14th amendment;
quote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So you believe when it said "any person" later in the text, without specifying that it was referring to U.S. citizens, that means the founders intended for it to include illegal aliens who entered the U.S. no matter how they did it?
DAMN STRAIGHT. Any person means any human being. Most literate people read it that way. What's wrong with your interpretation? Due process and equal protection mean what they mean.
Edited by xongsmith, : any human

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 884 of 993 (810030)
05-22-2017 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by Tanypteryx
05-22-2017 8:41 PM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
dragonfly writes:
I remember reading this here before, but we can only expect and demand that Americans are given due process and equal protection in other countries if every person is given the same treatment here in the U.S.
Yes, I understand that and agree. We are supposed to better, aren't we?. They won't be so eager to treat us that way if we don't. This is a unilateral principle, isn't it? A 'cross we have to bear?"
Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given.

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xongsmith
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Message 887 of 993 (810116)
05-23-2017 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by marc9000
05-23-2017 2:57 PM


Re: Sessions' DoJ vs Immigration Lawyers
Marc writes
That amendment was written about the end of slavery. There was no intent involved to include illegal aliens.
Says you and what army? It's like you cannot read. But you can devine the thoughts to match your own warped viewpoint.

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xongsmith
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Message 951 of 993 (811283)
06-06-2017 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 948 by Faith
06-06-2017 2:03 PM


Re: Trump undermines his case(?).
Faith writes:
But again a big concern with Obamacare is the high premiums some have to pay.
Yes - the Insurance Industry will charge whatever they can. They will deny paying out whatever they can. They are scum. They are foul middle men. Medicare for all would put the CEOs of these bloodsuckers out of business.

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