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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How many who are not here illegally get accused of it pray tell?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm still astonished that anyone would apply the Constitution to people who are not American citizens and are not here legally. Astonished. KNOWN not to be citizens and KNOWN not to be here legally. Don't accuse me of not caring if it's true or not, of course I care.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Even one is too many.
But that is irrelevant; the US Constitution (you may have heard of it) says that if they are in the US they deserve Due Process. This Administration seems to have no regard whatsoever for the Constitution or Rule of Law.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17989 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Does it matter ? Obviously there are enough people wrongly accused or with legal options available that a lawyer's help can make a difference. And remember that being present in the country illegally is not even considered a crime!
Now you tell me why the government feels the need to attack a non-profit organisation providing legal assistance to people who need it ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17989 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
And that lack of understanding is a very sad thing.
And scary. That's the sort of thinking that the slave trade and the Holocaust were built on. Why not accord everyone some basic rights ? Why should any people be treated as things that the government can do literally anything to ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out? And in any questionable case it ought to be easy enough to establish without a court case.
I don't know about this particular nonprofit situation but it sounds like the usual "sanctuary city" mentality that defies American law and the rights of American citizens to help illegals. What on earth is wrong with preventing illegal entry into this country and encouraging people to come here legally? What is wrong with that perfectly sensible sane idea? Why are you supporting violations of American law? Why?
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Why are you supporting violations of American law? Too funny Faith. Only you and the Trump Administration are advocating violating American Law.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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What is the matter with you? The Leftist brain seems to be missing some essential piece. Or it's just programmed to accuse people of things we're not guilty of, accuse accuse accuse. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?
BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS don't need the Constitution to grant them. The Constitution is for Americans AND those visiting here LEGALLY. It is not a basic human right to be in this country illegally. It is a basic human right to be treated with concern for life and wellbeing. THAT doesn't need the Constitution. What Reagan said is so true today. The last entry on my signature. Bunch of "liberal" fascists running around accusing other people of being fascists. The world has gone mad. IF FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA IT WILL BE IN THE FORM OF LIBERALISM. Well, it's here, just give it time to work up to its full potential. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II. 2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan
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PaulK Member Posts: 17989 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
quote: Is it ? When being born in the geographical boundaries of the nation is sufficient to grant citizenship ? An unrecorded and unregistered birth might indeed be hard to establish. Even a registered and recorded birth can be disputed by those motivated to do so as we know all too well.
quote: So long as that aid is merely legal assistance with the proceedings what possible objection can there be to it ?
quote: How does legal assistance possibly come under this description ? Would you class a defence lawyer as "supporting violations of American law" ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17989 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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quote: False accusations will not silence me.
quote: Then what does grant "basic human rights" ? And surely if the Constitution was intended to be restricted as you suggest it would say so.
quote: Odd then, that the actual fascists supported Trump.
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I never quite understood why Ronald Reagan was not impeached and then tried as a traitor to the US simply for his collaboration with Iran to delay the hostage releases and the Iran-Contra affair.
But remember we survived even the Reagan Administration and this Administration too shall pass.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Hi, Faith.
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. How hard can it be find that out? Well, that is one purpose of the deportation hearings: to make sure that a legal resident or a citizen wasn't "rounded up" by mistake, and the legal representation is to make sure that the officials deciding the matter follow the law and the person isn't summarily deported before her legals status is properly verified. -
Why are you supporting violations of American law? The other reason is that even if a person entered in this country illegally, there are exceptions to whether she can be deported. She may be fleeing a very dangerous situation, she may be legitimately entitled to refugee status, she may have family in this country legally. These are the sorts of things that may allow her to remain in this country and try to achieve legal status. And that is the law. You may not like that law, but there it is. According to the law, people in this country are entitled to be able to explain their situation, and if their situation warrants further consideration and even being granted legal status, then to be granted that consideration and/or status. Furthermore, depending on circumstances, the person may be entitled to be set free while her case is pending. Again, you may not like it, but that is the law. The lawyers are giving their time and expertise for free in order to make sure the government officials follow the law properly and to make sure the persons being held are aware of their legal options during their hearings. In other words, these particular lawyers are trying to make sure the laws are obeyed. -
First I strongly doubt anyone is being accused of being illegal who isn't. I find the contradictions in conservative thought to be interesting. We can't trust the government to provide health care properly to people. We can't trust the government to make sure that air and water are clean. Some even feel that we can't trust the government to provide a proper education to our young. Yet, we should give the government complete trust to decide who is or isn't in this country legally and to decide who should or should not be immediately deported.Freedom is merely privilege extended, unless enjoyed by one and all. — Billy Bragg
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1739 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't get this. We all have to have so much identification these days you'd think it wouldn't be hard to find out who is illegal and who isn't. Is fake ID that good that you can't tell?
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jar Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What id Faith?
What id do you have that shows you are in the US legally?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
the person isn't summarily deported before her legals status is properly verified How much is that happening?
In other words, these particular lawyers are trying to make sure the laws are obeyed. And the officials found a legal loophole where that can prevent that. I mean, yeah - they're dicks, but isn't that how the law works?
Yet, we should give the government complete trust to decide who is or isn't in this country legally and to decide who should or should not be immediately deported. For the record, I do not agree with that. Just sayin'
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