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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
Porosity
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Message 9 of 1006 (798478)
02-02-2017 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 3:56 PM


Simply put I would say the Atheist has no rational or logical way to formulate an actual moral or ethic, from a reality standpoint.
I don't know what sort of alternative reality you're living in to think Atheist don't care about the well being of others and themselves.
Also, history has proven that morality is SUBJECTIVE, once upon a time it was cool to own slaves, sell your daughter as a sex slave and stone children for misbehaving.
Morality is socially driven, one culture may find it acceptable to mutilate female genitals, while another will get you ten to life in prison.

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Porosity
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Message 23 of 1006 (798506)
02-02-2017 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 10:17 PM


You mean like monkeys and other species?
Not unless you believe your daughter is a monkey and Hebrews are a different species.
I'll make a monkey out of you yet Porosity
You can't even make sense.
If morality is the lessening of maximum misery, would it be morally correct to exterminate a colony of rats by poisonous pellets?
It depends, are the rats causing the plague?
otherwise rats are irrelevant to human wellness, unless your poisoning a colony of beloved pets or a shop owners prized possession of hairless rats.
How long are you going to tap dance, or are you just trolling?
Edited by Porosity, : No reason given.

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Porosity
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Message 27 of 1006 (798511)
02-02-2017 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 11:30 PM


I have no feelings, I'm indifferent to trolling.
Here's a question.. Where do you get your morals from?

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Porosity
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Message 32 of 1006 (798517)
02-03-2017 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 11:52 PM


But to answer your question, my morals come from the God of the Bible, he has infinite wisdom, that's why he's God and can establish morals for creatures
So you have no morals.
Thanks for sharing.

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Porosity
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Message 46 of 1006 (798570)
02-03-2017 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dawn Bertot
02-03-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Religion Cannot Rationally Explain Morals
Right that's my point you change the word moral and it's meaning to suit your purposes
HENCE NO ACTUAL MORALITY
No.. this is what you're doing.
You have no moral compass of your own, instead you have morality dictated to you by an immoral book of fables.

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Porosity
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Message 82 of 1006 (798681)
02-04-2017 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
02-04-2017 12:18 PM


Re: Religion Cannot Rationally Explain Morals
It's impossible for you to have a moral compass if you need a book to tell you what morality is.
The bible is evil and Immoral.

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Porosity
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Message 241 of 1006 (799777)
02-15-2017 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Dawn Bertot
02-14-2017 11:50 PM


Re: Isn't the only explanation needed a simple one?
So once again Jar provides us with his infinite wisdom. He actually compares a Stop sign to another human invention called Abortion. Keep up the good work Jar you are representing you side well
Dawn Bertot
As if you have a leg to stand on..
Your book of "objective" morals advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortion.
The murdering of children:
Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.
Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance 0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
2 Kings 6:28-29 And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.
Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless suckling infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be dashed upon the rocks.
Abortion:
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally abortion?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him. In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the their women with child shall be ripped up. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be ripped open. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life.
How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

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Porosity
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Message 669 of 1006 (805483)
04-18-2017 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 667 by Dr Adequate
04-18-2017 6:05 PM


How dare you! I would never call my baby (Kenny) a Dog!

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Porosity
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Message 701 of 1006 (805789)
04-20-2017 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by Faith
04-20-2017 3:55 PM


Re: Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
But love can't overcome some things like tyrannical governments that oppress the people and further their starvation.
You mean like cutting funding to programs like Meals on wheels? Or proposed budget cuts to The United Nations that could cause some 20 million to face starvation?
Edited by Porosity, : Doh!

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Porosity
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Message 897 of 1006 (807598)
05-04-2017 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 891 by Dredge
05-04-2017 3:48 AM


Re: Let's start over.
"Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented" - William Provine (late evolutionary scientist and now a reformed atheist)
Mmm.. Doubt it.
Creationist with their blatant dishonest hypocrisy and lies are the prime movers creating atheist daily.
keep up the good works!

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