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Message 483 of 1006 (804555)
04-11-2017 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 482 by PaulK
04-11-2017 12:15 AM


AGREED, everything in evolutionary teaching states that everything just happened by chance and LUCK, and so logically speaking morals to them according to their teaching, just happened along by chance, and succeeded because of lucky selection.
And as they dont tell you, nothing any individual learns EVER gets passed onto their offspring. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Nothing we learn, no moral we ever learn ever goes into our sexual DNA in our testes or ovaries. NEVER EVER, NEVER. Its impossible.
Every person has choice and must choose to learn. All babies are the same at birth. Moral DNA does not mutate and did not mutate into morals and no moral DNA goes into a new zygote or embryo....
NEVER.
Morals do not evolve or mutate, Morals did not form via mutations. Its literal unsceintific insanity.
Dont evolutionists know any science. Study Genetics, darn yas, get some intelligence.
Learned knowledge does not get passed on... NEVER
The Lord either put it there in our DNA or it isn;t there.
Jesus wins, evolution loses again

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 488 of 1006 (804580)
04-11-2017 11:08 AM
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04-11-2017 8:58 AM


Meh, I accept evolution and I don't think that. Given the chemistry involved, some of the things-that-happen would be inevitable.
(Given enough time, all things are possible if the dice are shaken long enough, or the gambling table is selective enough)
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Passed on genetically, sure, it doesn't happen directly. But selective pressures can act on the genes that code for the behaviors that cause parents to teach things to their offspring.
(Agreed, and confirmed genes do not pass on learned behaviour !!!!!!!!!!!!! So evolutionists say the selection process chooses the best mistakes that somehow magically have combined for no reason at all and totally at random, and the selection or nature takes over and magically picks out a trait, that hasn;t killed the species but somehow just blends in and makes it better perfectly by luck and chance.. No selection by so called Mother Nature is not your Saviour and Creator.)
Those offspring may be more inclined to teach learned behaviors to their offspring, and so on.
(No absolutely not, more inclined is not genetic.... its double speak. Learned behaviour has to be learned. Babies are not born with it unless it was given as instinct, adaptions, or the other words biologists make up to describe the traits of a KIND' Learned behaviour is not passed on, the next generation is not inclined, It is not inevitable. Thats all double speak of evolutionists)
I don't believe you, that's some made-up bullshit.
(Then show where moral DNA gets passed along to the next generation, prove this quote of mine is wrong..Every person has choice and must choose to learn. All babies are the same at birth. Moral DNA does not mutate and did not mutate into morals and no moral DNA goes into a new zygote or embryo....
NEVER.)
Jesus wins, evolutionists lose.
But wait lets answer the original question
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Message 490 of 1006 (804583)
04-11-2017 11:16 AM


Athiests can have morals
Definitely, to answer the OPS original post, of course ATHIESTS can have morals and be moral. To say otherwise is completely erroneous.
If morality is deemed love, concern, respect, actual caring actions and a loving lifestyle, then absolutely an athiest can have godly characteristics, as God is love. Athiests can have morals, even if they reject God.
How is it that possible because some athiests might have hated church people and self righteous people and religious people who worship themselves and their damnable unloving arrogant so called superiority, and decided that from these so called godly people, God HIMSELF must be immoral and unloving. Hence some atheists can go about trying to establish a lifestyle and life that works based on love, and concern for others.
They may reject the church God, even while following the tenets and lifestyle of the Lord Himself and be moral.
Never condescend to atheists, some of them may not be as bitter and mean as you might think they must become. Because some may have morals and have their lives based on LOVE, for God is LOVE, and Jesus is LOVE.
Romans 2, I believe states it and confirms this, and the whole bible eludes to this principle.
Morals takes decision making and CHOICE.
Evolutionists can never win but some athiests can see the light of LOVE, and be rewarded by the God of LOVE.
Mystery solved, Love wins, Jesus wins

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 506 of 1006 (804665)
04-12-2017 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 486 by Diomedes
04-11-2017 9:46 AM


Dio, listen to your double speak, wake up
Innate Behavior
Behaviors that are closely controlled by genes with little or no environmental influence are called innate behaviors. These are behaviors that occur naturally in all members of a species whenever they are exposed to a certain stimulus. Innate behaviors do not have to be learned or practiced. They are also called instinctive behaviors. An instinct is the ability of an animal to perform a behavior the first time it is exposed to the proper stimulus. For example, a dog will drool the first timeand every timeit is exposed to food.
(End of your ridiculous double speak)
I repeat, I repeat.... all traits were given by the Creator at one moment in time they did not evolve. Innate Behaviour as your new contrived terminology, is not something that appeared magically and via mutations somewhere in your mysterious past.
Its straight from the Lord..... stop trying to worship Nature, and mutations as your double speak God, as if these behaviours mutated OR were just there magically in the BEGINNING.
You evolutionists are absolutely desperate.
Nothing, and no species mutates behaviour, it was either there in the BEGINNING as CREATED by the LORD or it isnt there. No learned behaviour ever gets into our DNA. You are absolute liars to suggest otherwise. Learn some genetics and get a life.
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Message 511 of 1006 (804695)
04-12-2017 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by Dredge
04-11-2017 7:52 PM


Good post Dredge
Well thought out and consistent and basically TRUE.
Evolutionists must be consistent, and to be consistent, means exactly what you have stated. They have to admit according to evolutionary theory that their life is meaningless and an accident of mutations.
No wonder so many atheists get depressed.
My point was that some atheists actually accept love as their morality, and the good Lord blesses them for their actions toward others in love.
Mind you eventually if they are honest, they have to admit they dont have much love and arent very sacrificial, and hence again get depressed with themselves and their fallibility and failings. And so again can get bitter and mean and lose their human love for mankind
Atheism is a tough road to hoe, they try but fail or just fail by getting meaner and meaner in their LAST DAYS. They need to find more MEANING than denials and arrogance.
If they only realized GOD IS LOVE, JESUS IS LOVE.
True morality is when you learn you are a dirty rotten sinner like the rest of us and fallible, and then have MERCY in your heart for others, rather than becoming religious, proud and arrogant whether as a atheist, evoluytionists or holier than thou religionist.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 525 of 1006 (804743)
04-13-2017 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 522 by Faith
04-12-2017 5:13 PM


Re: Good post Faith
Good post Faith,
"Denial is so easy. When I believed in evolution I hated the implication that we weren't worth anything, and people SAY that, how can you deny it? People liked to point out how human value was demoted by Darwin and Freud and somebody else, I forget who -- Einstein? Such blows to our inflated ego, they reveled in it. I haven't heard that one in years but the basic idea hasn't gone away. Even without believing in God I did think we were important in the teeth of evolutionistic ego-shrinking and perhaps most of us do, but it's utterly irrational when human reality is defined by being an animal made out of blind chemicals."
But mans and womens ego is the main religious reason why they believe in evolution. They adopt the tenets of evolutionary luck and chance because it inflates their ego, to think they are the masters of their Universe and no one is above them and no one watches over them cares for them or can stop them from doing what they want.
They adopt evolution and atheism as their cornerstone of faith and hope. It elevates their low self esteem, as they deem serving a great LOVING GOD as demeaning.
(Mind you this almost always started with the dam church holiness church system offended them or hurting them or abusing them, or misleading them. Their hearts are a mess and so they totally reject the Lord because they cant separate worldly churches and the true loving Jesus. How sad. Yet its still their fault because they could wake up and be liberated, into serving their loved ones and others, and freed mentally, physically and spiritually. Its their choice)

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 552 of 1006 (804813)
04-13-2017 9:55 AM


Dredge is at least reasonably logical.
The laws of science and math and physics, just deal with the facts of history and the real world or invisible world.
Morality is a set of ethics a person CHOOSES, as Christians realize and as even some atheists realize. They want to make their own decisions on morality rather than leaving them up to others as do most church people and most nationalistic zealous citizens.
Buddists who are into not killing any life forms, have to constantly worry about killing bugs on their car wind screens, as they believe it will ruin their holiness. Thats their morality. Thats their choice in morality and lifestyle principles of holiness, much like the holiness practiced by those that killed *****.
As for this board, usually we discuss evolution versus creationism.
So what true science teaches us is, no learned behaviour ever changes our DNA. All species come out of the womb or eggs etc... fresh and without learned concepts from their parents. The God given traits (instincts, gualities, adaptations, etc etc etc..) and innate behaviours remain the same..
Atheists cant change their DNA because they choose poorly, it isn't passed on directly to their offspring. They can try to indocrinate their children into rejecting Jesus, but each person chooses, its called their DIVINE RIGHT given by the Lord Himself

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 673 of 1006 (805564)
04-19-2017 9:41 AM


Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
Back to the TOPIC and away from dog pictures.
Atheists and their cousins evolutionists can not explain altruism, acts of altuism, symbiotic relationships, etc etc...
Their tongues get twisted and new phrases and wild theories come forth. They can not explain LOVE, morals, working together for the common good.
Their semantics has no bounds, lets listen

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 686 of 1006 (805693)
04-20-2017 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 675 by 1.61803
04-19-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
""If you believe that living organisms other than humans can be altruistic and develop symbiotic relationships then I would ask you to correlate that with your belief that these things only exist because humans alone hold the monopoly on altruism and symbiosis .
If you doubt that other living organisms possess the ability to be altrusitic and establish symbiotic relationships I would invite you to
do some personal research and reading up on just those topics in nature.""
Yes, your god of Selection and Chance, makes you dumb.... the point is that if you knew the fallacies of your ridiculous theory, by your theory acts of love can not happen, because everything is selfishness, survival of your own self. Love has nothing to do with your theory, it doesnt help any species according to your theory.
Altruism and symbiotic relationships are impossible, because as per usual, the worldly approach is me me me, and fight the others for survival in competition and war.
My religion is love, yours is competition and survival of the meanest and toughest and most selfish.
If you are un-interested in learning about such things because they may conflict with your religious beliefs them perhaps your placing a limit on the God you espouse to believe in.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 688 of 1006 (805695)
04-20-2017 8:53 AM
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04-20-2017 8:50 AM


Re: Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
Again dumb evolutionists must always remember that NOTHING a species does enters into his or her genetics or DNA. No learned behaviour ever can be passed on to the next generation via their DNA......
All symbiotic relationships, ALL as in ALL, come complete at birth ONLY because they were created to work together and survive together. No magic mutations ever created a symbiotic relationship.
And again, evolutionists can not wait a million years hoping to get a love mutation to change their hearts. They just dont have time for that... dream on evolutionists

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 689 of 1006 (805696)
04-20-2017 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 687 by Pressie
04-20-2017 8:53 AM


Re: Could you explain your Good Lord remarks
The first part of your message Pressie is self explanatory .... when you state
"Good Lord. More word salads."
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If by Lord you mean the Lord of Lords, and Prince of Peace, and the ONLY righteous ONE...Jesus. I totally agree. The second part of your partial sentence, needs much much more work.
If a debate you are suppose to explain yourself in a full sentence or full idea, other wise your posting becomes another word salad, which is another indictment against evolutionists and their shallowness.
Thanks, You can do better BRO.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 769 of 1006 (806611)
04-26-2017 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 3:56 PM


Evolutionists can not explain morals
Evolutionists can not explain altruistic behaviour, as evolution states it is the survival of the fittest competition, and extinction to the losers who do not mutate every billion years.
Remember genetics, remember no behaviours ever get into our DNA, never ever. Behaviours are not transferred to our children or ever to the offspring of animals. Each generation has to decide for themselves or fall back on the instincts given them, and behaviours given them by the Lord of Creation. No behaviour or morals ever transpose into the next generation, never, ever.
Dont try to say animals think about their behaviours and then teach social norms and morals to their group, or pack, or flock etc... or tribe or nationalistic group.
Each individual has to choose their morals in how to deal with others. Morality is about how to act with others. Evolutionists have zero crebability outside their pious religious walls of false science, as they have no answers to symbiotic relationships or morality or behaviours.
NO behaviour gets into our DNA.. ZERO
The Lords principle is CHOICE, individual CHOICE.
Deal with it as mature individuals not as groupies.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 772 of 1006 (806622)
04-26-2017 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 766 by Dr Adequate
04-26-2017 5:25 PM


Your banana, wont make you happy or help you reproduce, Dr....
I thought you would have known this., as a supposed Doctor
We are and were created to recreat within only our KIND. Find somebody of your own kind rather than becoming one with your banana.
But the choice is yours

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 779 of 1006 (806680)
04-27-2017 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by Dr Adequate
04-26-2017 10:24 PM


Banana comments are foolish and violations IMO
Your banana comments are pure foolishness, and sexual. Please desist, and reframe and show some morality and class, even if you are an evolutionist.
Thats two strikes in one day.
No behaviour or group o behaviours or morality is ever passed onto a new generation via genetics, all individuals start as individuals, and must be taught or must choose their set of morality laws or codes.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 780 of 1006 (806682)
04-27-2017 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 778 by Chiroptera
04-27-2017 9:41 AM


Re: Atheism and Evolution are bed mates
Yes , Chir.
You have divine choice, and are responsible in this life and thereafter for your thoughts and ACTIONS. If in love, the Lord sees it and will treat you fairly in love and justice. Not a problem.
I repeat the good loving Lord gives people choices.
As for your other choice of evolution, it is surely part of your first choice which is atheism. Right ? Right ! They fit together and are compatible and support one another.
They are believed by faith. Not a problem, if thats where your faith lies, go for it. Your choice.
But we should discuss, the obvious disagreements of morality with evolution.
Evolution is about competition and not about co-operation. Its about selfishness as I have been saying over and over and over again. Right ? Right ! Its about survival of the fittest.... a natural element in all of us, our own survival..its also called sin, where we do not consider others.
SEE Cain killed Able and the following results of jealousy and hatred and selfishness.
Evolution leads to selfishness, and the extinctions of others that take our supposed resources or are in competition for our resources.
Atheists that continue in love and a morality by logic must reject the selfish morality espoused by the theory of evolution.
Jesus wins, love wins
Atheism loses in the end, and evolution loses in the beginning and in the end.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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