Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.

Just thought I might jump in. No it isn't absolute.The laws pointed us in the right direction but Jesus told, and showed us, that the only absolute is the law of love. It is all about our hearts. Paul got it right in his first letter to the Corinthians when he says that ultimately God will judge the motives of our hearts. Are we motivated by self interest or are we motivated by the love of our neighbour and for all of God's creation?

But you’re missing the point. You are taking your view and the views of others and finding them not to be in agreement of what constitutes sin. Some things are pretty obvious and there really isn’t much disagreement over the belief that someone’s actions are based on greed and about looking after their desires at the expense of others. Many things as you point out though, are a lot more ambiguous and we just do our best.I mentioned earlier Paul’s 1st letter to the Corinithians Chap 4 . He says this:

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2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.
3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.

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Neither of us are able to actually able to see inside the hearts of others and we can’t even be sure of our own motives. As humans we are going to disagree on the right actions in given circumstances. Secularists will disagree with each other, Christians will disagree with each other, and so on for any group you want to mention.In the end what God wants is hearts that love sacrificially and we are called to do our best to sort that out in our lives knowing that others won’t always agree. On faith I do ultimately trust that God is a god of perfect justice and that perfect justice will prevail. He will balance out the heart of someone like myself who grew up in a loving environment as well as someone who grew up in a cold or even abusive environment.

I may be splitting hairs here, but I would say that there is such a thing as absolute morality in the Christian sense in that we are called to have hearts that love sacrificially. Ultimately it isn’t about our actions or our doctrine but about our hearts. If we have hearts that love the self even at the expense of others then that is absolute immorality. If we have hearts which love sacrificially, (which nobody is going to attain perfectly in this life), then that is absolute morality. Let’s set aside mental illness, which may have been the case for Jack, and look at his actions. The most likely motive that we can see for his actions was that he took pleasure in killing and the prostitutes were soft targets. Possibly he felt that the world was a better place without them but that completely goes against everything that Jesus taught. In either case I think that as a Christian I can judge his actions to be absolutely wrong.However, as to his absolute morality I would certainly form the opinion that his actions absolutely immoral, but, that is only my opinion, I will leave it to God to judge his sense of morality which is his heart. (Personally I don’t think it looks good for him. )