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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Dredge writes: Evolution is as dumb as a cake; it has no intelligence; it is a blind, mindless, unconscious, aimless series of random accidents - yet it supposedly produced creatures who have incredible minds capable of love, imagination, ethics, art, planning, designing, constructing, dreaming, problem solving, inventing, etc, etc. Are you suggesting that non-intelligently designed beings couldn't have such qualities? Surely you're not suggesting that your God would not be capable of imagination, planning, designing and constructing etc.?
Dredge writes: ... and atheists like to claim the higher ground over theists when it comes to reason. Bizarre. Perhaps it occurs to some of those atheists that intelligent design can't be a pre-requisite for the existence of intelligence. You seem to be arguing that it is. Bizarre.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Davidjay writes: Your banana, wont make you happy or help you reproduce, Dr....I thought you would have known this., as a supposed Doctor We are and were created to recreat within only our KIND. Find somebody of your own kind rather than becoming one with your banana. But the choice is yours Spot on, Dave. You tell him. One of the worst aspects of modern atheists is their habit of sticking bananas in the wrong orifice, presumably in the dumb evolutionist hope of producing a hybrid that they can converse with while eating. You can even see them doing this in public as here: Banana Bar. The choice is theirs, as you say, but the time will surely come when the Lord will smite them with fire.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Dredge writes: I don't have an issue with that. If you find meaning and happiness in life, good luck to you. If I were an atheist, I would consider life meaningless, morality meaningless and beliefs meaningless and actions meaningless and emotions meaningless. Wouldn't your god be in the same position as that speculative atheist? It would either have to make up its own meaning, or, to your way of thinking, be meaningless.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Dredge writes: bluegenes writes: Dredge writes: I don't have an issue with that. If you find meaning and happiness in life, good luck to you. If I were an atheist, I would consider life meaningless, morality meaningless and beliefs meaningless and actions meaningless and emotions meaningless. Wouldn't your god be in the same position as that speculative atheist? It would either have to make up its own meaning, or, to your way of thinking, be meaningless. You make a good point. Unfortunately, I can't speak for "my god" with respect to what he thinks about meaning. But I am of the opinion that only immortality gives life meaning, and since God is immortal, he has at least some chance of finding meaning. Interesting theology for a Christian. "In the beginning, there was meaning, then there was God", rather than the other way around. Also, wouldn't it have been better to use the word "existence" rather than life, as life itself is mortal? I don't think "existence" can have any purely objective meaning, and purely objective morals can't exist in theism or atheism. That's different from the question of explaining scientifically why intelligent social animals like us might have the concept of morality, something which could and has been attempted. "Atheism", of course, doesn't explain anything, just as non-belief in Santa Claus doesn't tell us where the presents actually come from. The O.P. of this thread is a mess, but I think its author wants to say that only a belief in a god can "explain morals", but certainly fails to make that case.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Dredge writes: Prove that it's a man-made religion. If he had shown you an acorn and claimed it came from an oak tree, would you have asked for proof? As with acorns, only one source of religions can be shown to exist. Human invention.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined:
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Dredge writes: Can you cite one example of Hitler invoking the name of Jesus Christ? He tended not to use the Jesus, just Christ, Our Lord etc.
quote: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11
quote: Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2862 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Dredge writes: Yet there are Hitler quotes that indicate he hated Christianity. So it's a very confusing picture. Anyhow, there always exists the distinct possibility that he used pro-Christian rhetoric to appeal to a Christiian audience. Oldest trick in the book. Perhaps you should hedge your bets, and only pray for his soul every other day.
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