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herebedragons
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Message 572 of 1006 (804895)
04-13-2017 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by Faith
04-13-2017 11:07 PM


Re: Good post Dredge
"Science says" is just a way of saying it is clearly inferable from (evolutionary) science that...

Science is a systematic methodology for studying natural phenomenon, not for inferring the value of human existence. Science "says" nothing about the relative importance of humans compared to other creatures. Human minds are what ascribes those values. Yes, people have used scientific findings to devalue human life, but that is not the problem of science, it is the problem of fallen human nature.

It is inferred from the fact that we are considered to be merely animals evolved from earlier animals,

Might be a step up from dust

quote:

Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.

Ecc 3:19 - 21
For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?

Job 10:9
Remember that you molded me like clay. Will you now turn me to dust again?

2 Peter 2:12
But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.


And yet you don't complain that the Bible teaches we are merely animals or just dust. Why? Because it says other stuff too. As it is with evolution.

The point of evolution is not to teach that we are merely animals or that we are cosmic accidents, it is an explanation as to how life has come to be the way it is. Conclusions that degrade human value come from the human mind and these types of value statements existed long before evolution was even thought of.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 574 of 1006 (804900)
04-14-2017 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by Faith
04-13-2017 11:56 PM


Re: Good post Dredge
Oh cut out the semantic hooha.

It's not semantics. Science doesn't make those kinds of judgement calls. It doesn't ascribe value.

Not just a bunch of mindless chemicals blindly thrown up from a cosmic burp as it were, obviously having NO intrinsic value over anything else brought about in the same way.

That is YOUR judgement, not science's.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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