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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dawn Berot writes: A great example that morality is not objective and that objective morality doesn't exist.
See folks, here is an example of enlightened self-interest. Read it a few times and try not to laugh. Remember he's talking about the Nazis . So if the Nazis thought it was right, we're they right RAZD?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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So, after all of this it's quite obvious that objective morality doesn't exist.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created.
You do know that creating straw men is a form of telling untruths?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
DB writes: No, you haven't. Repeating the same BS is not the same as demonstrating it, DB.
You do not have a moral either way, objective or subjective. Hence, as I have clearly demonstrated, for morality to exist it has to be absolute.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
DB writes: If that's what you get from from what I wrote, there really is no way of even trying to have a rational conersation with you. If morals don't exist how can I be telling an untruth. Secondly thanks for corroborating my thread title. Lets try again. I wrote:
Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created. If you got from that that morals don't exist, you really, really must go back to Grade 1 to try to get a basic comprehension. I doubt that you will make it.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Let's try it again on you DB.
Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Again, you still struggle with the basics. Atheism is a disbelieve in the existence of Gods. That's it. Atheism doesn't try to explain morals.
Let's try another way. Atheism is a disbelieve in the existence of Gods. That's it. Atheism doesn't try to explain how an Airbus A380 flies. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Nope.
Diomedes writes: Nope. Nice try. Theists claim to explain morals. They even try to legislate their loose morals on everyone else. "Theism is a belief in the existence of God(s). Theism doesn't try to explain morals. Atheists just disbelief in the existence of gods. That's it. Nothing to do with morals. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
DB writes: Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Apples exist. They are not imaginary.
The imagination, even if it actually exists, is just another biological process. Because the imagined apple is not a real apple, means it can have no application in the real world as anything.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Davidjay writes: You love your words salads. Dio, listen to your double speak, wake upInnate Behavior Behaviors that are closely controlled by genes with little or no environmental influence are called innate behaviors. These are behaviors that occur naturally in all members of a species whenever they are exposed to a certain stimulus. Innate behaviors do not have to be learned or practiced. They are also called instinctive behaviors. An instinct is the ability of an animal to perform a behavior the first time it is exposed to the proper stimulus. For example, a dog will drool the first timeand every timeit is exposed to food. (End of your ridiculous double speak) I repeat, I repeat.... all traits were given by the Creator at one moment in time they did not evolve. Innate Behaviour as your new contrived terminology, is not something that appeared magically and via mutations somewhere in your mysterious past. Its straight from the Lord..... stop trying to worship Nature, and mutations as your double speak God, as if these behaviours mutated OR were just there magically in the BEGINNING. You evolutionists are absolutely desperate. Nothing, and no species mutates behaviour, it was either there in the BEGINNING as CREATED by the LORD or it isnt there. No learned behaviour ever gets into our DNA. You are absolute liars to suggest otherwise. Learn some genetics and get a life. I'm still intrigued to find out whether you see those millions of Christians who accept the findings of science as atheists? Davidjay, do you believe that the Pope is an atheist? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Why do you tell untruths about scientific theories?
And since evolution means objective morality doesn't exist, your morality is just as valid as anyone else's. Neither can anyone prove that your morality is wrong and their's is right.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: I like the word, too. I was born in the mid sixties from very religious parents. Not in the US, though. And we weren't even taught evolutionary theory at school! Picked it up later. Faith: "the sicksties"What a fabulous word! The so-called Enlightenment produced a cult of atheist intellectualism that started chipping away at the strong dam wall of Christainity ... the sicksties marked the final collapse of that dam and the end of Christianity as the dominant cultural force. Evolution stepped in and became the new "theology" of entire civilizations. Welcome to the Great Apostasy. Basically; why did they not try to teach us reality at school? Today I'm being classified as a funtamentalist, radical, atheist. I love it. The Sicksties, hey. In the sixties I was too young to be a hippy at Woodstock and now I'm too old to be computer wizz...the good old sixties. The lost generation... Financially I'm doing quite well, though. Two great retirement houses on two continents...all paid off. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Good Lord. More word salads.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Davidjay writes: It was the entire post. You don't see the humour? The first part of your message Pressie is self explanatory .... when you state"Good Lord. More word salads." Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 227 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Whether your quote about him is true or not true I disagree with it. To me the internet is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented. I mean, I turned atheist after being allowed to read what non-theists wrote on the net. Things that were not allowed to be written or read in the country I grew up in. Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented" - William Provine (late evolutionary scientist and now a reformed atheist) People like Faith and Dredge and Davidjay. Surely not all arguments for Gods can be that stupid? I found that all those people and people like that really have stupid arguments. Then people such as WLC. Special pleading from beginning to end. Fundamentalist religious internet warriors helped in turning me atheist. Not evolutionary theory. It happens all over the world where people get educated. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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