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Pressie
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Message 134 of 1006 (799065)
02-07-2017 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Dawn Bertot
02-07-2017 12:35 AM


Re: enlightened self-interest -- three laws
Dawn Berot writes:

See folks, here is an example of enlightened self-interest. Read it a few times and try not to laugh. Remember he's talking about the Nazis . So if the Nazis thought it was right, we're they right RAZD?

A great example that morality is not objective and that objective morality doesn't exist.
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Message 246 of 1006 (799787)
02-15-2017 7:10 AM


So, after all of this it's quite obvious that objective morality doesn't exist.

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Pressie
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Message 252 of 1006 (799856)
02-17-2017 4:23 AM
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02-16-2017 10:12 AM


Re: sorry for lateness
Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created.

You do know that creating straw men is a form of telling untruths?


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Message 262 of 1006 (799868)
02-17-2017 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Dawn Bertot
02-17-2017 5:49 AM


You do not have a moral either way, objective or subjective. Hence, as I have clearly
DB writes:

You do not have a moral either way, objective or subjective. Hence, as I have clearly demonstrated, for morality to exist it has to be absolute.

No, you haven't. Repeating the same BS is not the same as demonstrating it, DB.
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Message 263 of 1006 (799869)
02-17-2017 6:20 AM
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02-17-2017 6:01 AM


Re: sorry for lateness
DB writes:

If morals don't exist how can I be telling an untruth. Secondly thanks for corroborating my thread title.

If that's what you get from from what I wrote, there really is no way of even trying to have a rational conersation with you.

Lets try again. I wrote:

Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created.
If you got from that that morals don't exist, you really, really must go back to Grade 1 to try to get a basic comprehension. I doubt that you will make it.
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Pressie
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Message 264 of 1006 (799870)
02-17-2017 6:23 AM
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02-17-2017 6:20 AM


Re: sorry for lateness
Let's try it again on you DB.

Not really. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of Gods. Atheism doesn't even try to explain morals. It's a straw man you created.

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Message 266 of 1006 (799872)
02-17-2017 6:50 AM
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02-17-2017 6:36 AM


Re: sorry for lateness
Again, you still struggle with the basics. Atheism is a disbelieve in the existence of Gods. That's it. Atheism doesn't try to explain morals.

Let's try another way. Atheism is a disbelieve in the existence of Gods. That's it. Atheism doesn't try to explain how an Airbus A380 flies.

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Message 278 of 1006 (800121)
02-20-2017 6:56 AM
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02-17-2017 10:10 AM


Re: sorry for lateness
Nope.

Diomedes writes:

"Theism is a belief in the existence of God(s). Theism doesn't try to explain morals.

Nope. Nice try. Theists claim to explain morals. They even try to legislate their loose morals on everyone else.

Atheists just disbelief in the existence of gods. That's it. Nothing to do with morals.

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Message 280 of 1006 (800124)
02-20-2017 7:15 AM
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02-20-2017 6:56 AM


Re: How?
DB writes:

The imagination, even if it actually exists, is just another biological process. Because the imagined apple is not a real apple, means it can have no application in the real world as anything.

Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Apples exist. They are not imaginary.
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Message 508 of 1006 (804682)
04-12-2017 6:18 AM
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04-12-2017 1:09 AM


Davidjay writes:

Dio, listen to your double speak, wake up
Innate Behavior
Behaviors that are closely controlled by genes with little or no environmental influence are called innate behaviors. These are behaviors that occur naturally in all members of a species whenever they are exposed to a certain stimulus. Innate behaviors do not have to be learned or practiced. They are also called instinctive behaviors. An instinct is the ability of an animal to perform a behavior the first time it is exposed to the proper stimulus. For example, a dog will drool the first time—and every time—it is exposed to food.
(End of your ridiculous double speak)

I repeat, I repeat.... all traits were given by the Creator at one moment in time they did not evolve. Innate Behaviour as your new contrived terminology, is not something that appeared magically and via mutations somewhere in your mysterious past.

Its straight from the Lord..... stop trying to worship Nature, and mutations as your double speak God, as if these behaviours mutated OR were just there magically in the BEGINNING.

You evolutionists are absolutely desperate.

Nothing, and no species mutates behaviour, it was either there in the BEGINNING as CREATED by the LORD or it isnt there. No learned behaviour ever gets into our DNA. You are absolute liars to suggest otherwise. Learn some genetics and get a life.

You love your words salads.

I'm still intrigued to find out whether you see those millions of Christians who accept the findings of science as atheists?

Davidjay, do you believe that the Pope is an atheist?

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Message 655 of 1006 (805362)
04-18-2017 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 648 by Dredge
04-17-2017 9:21 PM


Re: In the moral big picture, humans or bees more important?
Dredge writes:

And since evolution means objective morality doesn't exist, your morality is just as valid as anyone else's. Neither can anyone prove that your morality is wrong and their's is right.

Why do you tell untruths about scientific theories?
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Message 685 of 1006 (805692)
04-20-2017 8:48 AM
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04-20-2017 1:44 AM


Re: You really need to drop that straw man by now
Dredge writes:

Faith: "the sicksties"
What a fabulous word! The so-called Enlightenment produced a cult of atheist intellectualism that started chipping away at the strong dam wall of Christainity ... the sicksties marked the final collapse of that dam and the end of Christianity as the dominant cultural force. Evolution stepped in and became the new "theology" of entire civilizations. Welcome to the Great Apostasy.

I like the word, too. I was born in the mid sixties from very religious parents. Not in the US, though. And we weren't even taught evolutionary theory at school! Picked it up later.

Basically; why did they not try to teach us reality at school?

Today I'm being classified as a funtamentalist, radical, atheist. I love it. The Sicksties, hey.

In the sixties I was too young to be a hippy at Woodstock and now I'm too old to be computer wizz...the good old sixties. The lost generation...

Financially I'm doing quite well, though. Two great retirement houses on two continents...all paid off.

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Message 687 of 1006 (805694)
04-20-2017 8:53 AM
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04-20-2017 8:50 AM


Re: Atheists and Evolutionists cant explain 'altruism'..LOVE
Good Lord. More word salads.
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Message 690 of 1006 (805698)
04-20-2017 9:03 AM
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04-20-2017 8:57 AM


Re: Could you explain your Good Lord remarks
Davidjay writes:

The first part of your message Pressie is self explanatory .... when you state
"Good Lord. More word salads."

It was the entire post. You don't see the humour?

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Message 892 of 1006 (807572)
05-04-2017 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 891 by Dredge
05-04-2017 3:48 AM


Re: Let's start over.
Dredge writes:

Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented" - William Provine (late evolutionary scientist and now a reformed atheist)

Whether your quote about him is true or not true I disagree with it. To me the internet is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented. I mean, I turned atheist after being allowed to read what non-theists wrote on the net. Things that were not allowed to be written or read in the country I grew up in.

People like Faith and Dredge and Davidjay. Surely not all arguments for Gods can be that stupid? I found that all those people and people like that really have stupid arguments.

Then people such as WLC. Special pleading from beginning to end.

Fundamentalist religious internet warriors helped in turning me atheist. Not evolutionary theory. It happens all over the world where people get educated.

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