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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
NoNukes
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Message 56 of 1006 (798588)
02-03-2017 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
02-03-2017 2:39 PM


That's apples and oranges, RAZD. The decision of the atheist who became a theist had to be based on some pretty complicated analysis of possibilities in the natural world

Why is that true? Do you some idea that atheists are inherently rational? Few Christians, and none that I have met, or have observed, have come to their beliefs through rationalizing about the universe.

In this case, you have someone who claims that a conclusion about the origins of morality was the basis of his conversion. But who can know just how rational and objective his realization is? In fact, his argument is ridiculous, because there are other sources of human behavior other than biological evolution. Morality, of one sort or another, is an inevitable outcome of humans trying to get along as a society. And because of the way we've evolved, living in a society is a requirement for being human. If you view your current morality, whatever its source, to be the highest level possible, I submit that other cultures likely believed similarly despite their flaws.

Do apes and lions have a moral code. I'd suggest that they do although their codes would be foreign to us and not desirable.

Edited by NoNukes, : Add some argument to flesh out comments.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 57 of 1006 (798589)
02-03-2017 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Dawn Bertot
02-03-2017 12:51 PM


If he believes that incarceratiing an animal in a cage for experimentation, observation, as in a zoo, is not slavery, then he'll have to show me why I could not do the same thing to a group of humans.

This fairly amusing. What does the Bible tell us about slavery?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 113 of 1006 (798864)
02-06-2017 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dawn Bertot
02-06-2017 1:01 AM


Who needs a comedienne when the straight man does this...
Dawn Bertot writes:

Your morality makes no rational sense, but ours does. No I don't know why God commanded some people to stone people, but then it makes no sense to another human being to ask them to love thier enemy.. So I know that while those things may seem incompatible on the surface, I have an objective standard, in the form of infinte wisdom.

No commentary needed.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 941 of 1006 (808015)
05-08-2017 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 940 by Dredge
05-08-2017 2:54 AM


Re: Let's start over.
Ontology is word I made up and it relates to the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality.

The dictionary claims that the word originated in the 18th century with essentially the same meaning you give. What am I missing with respect to your claim?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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