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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
JonF
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Message 8 of 1006 (798467)
02-02-2017 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by PaulK
02-02-2017 4:39 PM


I suspect a hidden "except for...".

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Message 10 of 1006 (798486)
02-02-2017 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Porosity
02-02-2017 8:00 PM


I don't know what sort of alternative reality you're living in to think Atheist don't care about the well being of others and themselves
He didn't go that far yet. He's just implied that any morality atheists exhibit is irrational. It's the same old "rational atheists should conclude that they can do anything they want, so why aren't they rampaging and murdering and raping and pillaging?".
I regard anyone who thinks religious belief is required for moral behavior with some concern. But they are a priori wrong, atheists in general are moral. That is an observed fact, so the interesting question is "why?", not "why are you doing atheism wrong? ".

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JonF
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Message 36 of 1006 (798532)
02-03-2017 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 9:47 PM


Re: what??????
No I never said anything close to that
He jumped the gun a bit. We've been down this road so many times it's easy to get stuck in the deep ruts.

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JonF
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Message 37 of 1006 (798533)
02-03-2017 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Porosity
02-03-2017 12:58 AM


But to answer your question, my morals come from the God of the Bible, he has infinite wisdom, that's why he's God and can establish morals for creatures
So you have no morals.
Dawn, like the vast majority of atheists, has morals. Just not objective ones. If they were truly objective atheists would accept Dawn's source of morals.
Morals are a product of society, and differ greatly over time and space.
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JonF
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Message 45 of 1006 (798564)
02-03-2017 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dawn Bertot
02-03-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Religion Cannot Rationally Explain Morals
HENCE NO ACTUAL MORALITY
I suspect that you do not define "ACTUAL MORALITY" as "acting morally in word and deed".

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JonF
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Message 60 of 1006 (798599)
02-03-2017 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
02-03-2017 2:22 PM


Antony Flew. There's a pretty even-handed article about him, by someone who knew him personally and with lots of Flew quotes, at Antony Flew Considers God...Sort Of » Internet Infidels.
TL;DR: he became unsure of his atheism but never affirmed the existence of any God(s), and his reasons for being unsure had nothing to do with morality.

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JonF
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Message 74 of 1006 (798644)
02-04-2017 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Dawn Bertot
02-04-2017 12:46 AM


Re: Religion Cannot Rationally Explain Morals
No.. this is what you're doing.
You have no moral compass of your own, instead you have morality dictated to you by an immoral book of fables.
I'm glad I don't use my own compass, because you and I would have tried to exterminate each other alreadyou probably, right
Sounds as if you really do need an externally imposed moral compass.
I don't. Atheists in general don't.
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