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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Jonf writes
suspect a hidden "except for...". Buhhhhhh? Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I don't know what sort of alternative reality you're living No alternate reality. Here at this website I'm known as Mr Reality. Ask around
Also, history has proven that morality is SUBJECTIVE, once upon a time it was cool to own slaves, You mean like monkeys and other species? I'll make a monkey out of you yet Porosity Answer me this Sir. If morality is the lessening of maximum misery, would it be morally correct to exterminate a colony of rats by poisonous pellets? Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
He didn't go that far yet. He's just implied that any morality atheists exhibit is irrational. It's the same old "rational atheists should conclude that they can do anything they want, so why aren't they rampaging and murdering and raping and pillaging?". I regard anyone who thinks religious belief is required for moral behavior with some concern. But they area prioriwrong, atheists in general are moral. That is an observed fact, so the interesting question is "why?", not "why are you doing atheism wrong? ". Time to to get busy son, with Mr reality. My objection is a logical one not emotional or personal.Given that all thing in nature are equal as far as life is concerned. That is, all life is sacred and deserves to thrive and survive, just like you. Would it be murder to put several chickens to death for your consumption. If not, could you kill and eat another human, since all life is just life What would be the difference of murder in one instance and just something else in another instance Trying to get you to see that morality has to come from a source outside the human construct or perspective, otherwise it's just inconsistent subjective nonsense. The chicken doesn't share your views about what constitutes murder or misery Mr Sam Harris sloppy reasoning, notwithstanding Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Well, you go ahead and try to establish morality from a theistic standpoint, and we'll see if you can do any better. How am I doing so far there, Dr A Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
There are some 20,000 world religions, and some 40,000 sects, branches, denominations and flavors of christianity alone. There is nowhere close to an agreement on any given set of morals among those religions. Sorry to have to burst your bubble. (Or, are you figuring that it is your own religion that is the only one that counts?)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
AtheismReligion Cannot Rationally Explain Morals There are some 20,000 world religions, and some 40,000 sects, branches, denominations and flavors of christianity alone. There is nowhere close to an agreement on any given set of morals among those religions. Sorry to have to burst your bubble. (Or, are you figuring that it isyour ownreligion that is the only one that counts?) No u miss the whole point. The question is not do people or can people get things wrong wild Coyote. This is a question pitted against reality and what it will allow in the area of morality Can people religious or not be the source for an absolute moral. IOWs, if it's OK to eat another living thing and it's not murder, why could people not kill and eat other people on a regular basis and it not be murderYou have to take it out of the personal realm into the completely rational and reality realm Dawn Bertot
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2116 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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You mean like monkeys and other species? Not unless you believe your daughter is a monkey and Hebrews are a different species.
I'll make a monkey out of you yet Porosity You can't even make sense.
If morality is the lessening of maximum misery, would it be morally correct to exterminate a colony of rats by poisonous pellets?
It depends, are the rats causing the plague?otherwise rats are irrelevant to human wellness, unless your poisoning a colony of beloved pets or a shop owners prized possession of hairless rats. How long are you going to tap dance, or are you just trolling? Edited by Porosity, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How am I doing so far there, Dr A Since you haven't tried, you have failed.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Rats are irrelevant to human wellness, unless your poisoning a colony of beloved pets or a shop owners prized possession of hairless rats. How long are you going to tap dance, or are you just trolling? Stay calm son and quit getting emotional, it blinds you to reality. Of course rats are irrelevant to human wellness. That's not the point For a moral to be real and rational from a Naturalistic standpoint, it has to be consistent in its tenets for all life, because all life is equal, true But you didn't answer my question. Is it moral to exterminate a colony of rats with poisonous pellets, yes or no. And how did u arrive at that conclusionTell me your reasoning of why it's OK or not ok If you think I'm tap dancing, ask me a direct question and I'll answer it. You've ask me nothing yet Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Since you haven't tried, you have failed. Ah Dr Inadequate your always good for a larf, not much else, but you do succeed in that area
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2116 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
I have no feelings, I'm indifferent to trolling.
Here's a question.. Where do you get your morals from?
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
have no feelings, I'm indifferent to trolling. Here's a question.. Where do you get your morals from? Not sure what your definition of trolling is but I've been here since 2007 with nearly 4000 posts and numerous threads But to answer your question, my morals come from the God of the Bible, he has infinite wisdom, that's why he's God and can establish morals for creatures
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
See u in the morning if your still around goes to crash
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: If your argument applies to everyone - and it seems it does - then the conclusion also applies to everyone. Adding irrelevant qualifiers to the argument achieves nothing.
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