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dwise1
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Message 73 of 710 (799974)
02-18-2017 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by JonF
02-18-2017 5:10 PM


Faith writes:
we more or less politely let {Obama's} supporters have their day
You're kidding right? Have you ever listened to right wing radio or TV? Or visited a right-wing web site?
First to Faith: Politely?????? There was no damnable lie, no racial slur that was too low for you-all to stoop to on a regular basis. A little less hypocrisy on your part, please!
Now back to you, JonF. Of course Faith has listened to right wing TV/Radio in whichever proportions. And visited right-wing web sites as she has already proclaimed (eg, Info Wars). She is very well acquainted with bat-shit crazy because that is the mode that she has been operating in for longer than we have known her. To her, bat-shit is normal shit; she actually cannot tell the difference.
Of course, the primary difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama was not trying to destroy America and the world. OK, so maybe Trump doesn't realize what he is doing under the guidance of his puppet-master Steve Bannon, a self-avowed Leninist who wants to destroy everything and start a war out of which will emerge a "Gray Messiah". And of course Faith cannot understand that, unlike her, not everybody wants that to happen.

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dwise1
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Message 75 of 710 (799976)
02-18-2017 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-18-2017 5:26 PM


The idea is that the President legitimately has those powers by an honest assessment of the laws. Other Presidents have used the same powers. They belong to the Presidency. That's what the Constitution says.
The court is wrong, the people who talk about the separation of powers happen to be wrong in these particular cases. But they won't recognize it, they won't acknowledge it.
Yes, the President has powers. So does the Legislature. And so does the Judiciary. It's called the Separation of Powers. It should have been covered in your civics class in high school, assuming you managed to stay awake in class.
What we were taught was that the Founding Fathers were virtually paranoid about the rise of tyrants, having seen King George III as a tyrant. So to thwart the designs of a tyrant they incorporated that system of checks and balances which we call the Separation of Powers. It's kind of like the Strategic Air Command's (SAC's) "no lone" policy regarding access to nukes: no single individual may ever have access to nuclear weapons in any conceivable manner. It's also reflected in the handling of classified materials where the handling and destruction of classified materials must be with a second cleared individual, a witness, present. I know these things, because I am a 35-year military veteran who has performed said duties and has repeatedly sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
So just because Presidents have been given certain powers does not mean that those actions cannot be reviewed, since any mortal man may try to exceed his authority. Such review is the duty of the Judiciary. So why are you complaining so much that the Judiciary is trying to do its Constitutionally mandated duty?
So you think that the courts are so wrong? Do please explain why. In legal terms that would convince someone familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America.
And while you are at it, a pure and complete hypothetical. For purely hypothetical reasons, just suppose that a tyrant has managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America. What is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country? In your own considered and infallible opinion.

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dwise1
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Message 82 of 710 (799986)
02-18-2017 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
02-18-2017 5:53 PM


lying hypocrite.
I am an American!. I served honorably in the United States military for thirty-five years! (six years active duty US Air Force, 29 years US Navy Reserve). At least seven times in my military career I have sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And I most sincerely meant it every single time!
Faith, have you ever served? Have you ever once in your entire life sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic? No, I didn't think so.
Should I also mention how, based on my decades of security training, Trump's display of classified government information in a discussion in the middle of a public dining area in Mar-a- Lago (private club membership, yes, but still filled with uncleared personnel (ie, civilians with no security clearances and absolutely no need to know)). Any idiot who had pulled such a stunt would have had his security clearance pulled in an instant and would be facing federal charges. Why do you think that your Trump should be given any slack? This is a clear and egregious violation of national security, after all.
So, getting back to my actual post which you "responded to" (HA!!!):
DWise1 writes:
Yes, the President has powers. So does the Legislature. And so does the Judiciary. It's called the Separation of Powers. It should have been covered in your civics class in high school, assuming you managed to stay awake in class.
What we were taught was that the Founding Fathers were virtually paranoid about the rise of tyrants, having seen King George III as a tyrant. So to thwart the designs of a tyrant they incorporated that system of checks and balances which we call the Separation of Powers. It's kind of like the Strategic Air Command's (SAC's) "no lone" policy regarding access to nukes: no single individual may ever have access to nuclear weapons in any conceivable manner. It's also reflected in the handling of classified materials where the handling and destruction of classified materials must be with a second cleared individual, a witness, present. I know these things, because I am a 35-year military veteran who has performed said duties and has repeatedly sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
So just because Presidents have been given certain powers does not mean that those actions cannot be reviewed, since any mortal man may try to exceed his authority. Such review is the duty of the Judiciary. So why are you complaining so much that the Judiciary is trying to do its Constitutionally mandated duty?
So you think that the courts are so wrong? Do please explain why. In legal terms that would convince someone familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America.
And while you are at it, a pure and complete hypothetical. For purely hypothetical reasons, just suppose that a tyrant has managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America. What is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country? In your own considered and infallible opinion.
So then, Faith, if a tyrant were to have somehow managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, what is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country?
In your own considered and infallible opinion.

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Message 90 of 710 (799996)
02-18-2017 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
02-18-2017 7:13 PM


Well, such a tyrant DID get himself elected, name of Obama. ... Well, such a tyrant DID get himself elected, name of Obama.
Uh, no, that did not happen. If you truly believe that did indeed happen, then do by all means show that that is indeed what had happened.
Oh, you cannot.
So we are back to the original that you were utterly unable to respond to;
So then, Faith, if a tyrant were to have somehow managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, what is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country?

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Message 520 of 710 (801064)
03-03-2017 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by Faith
03-03-2017 12:19 AM


Re: fake news and more fake news
Fake news as I use the term includes any news story that has no purpose other than to try to make Trump look bad.
So what about any news story that made Reagan look bad? Or Nixon?
And what if Trump did something really bad? So an entirely factual report of that would automatically become "fake news"? So suddenly the objective facts become fake? What kind of reality-denying ninny have you become?
It's not really news in any meaningful sense of the word, it's just a piece of opinion from somewhere or other that has an anti-Trump agenda to it.
Uh, yes, factual reporting is very meaningful. If Trump did pull a real boner, like talk about allowing people to buy health insurance "across state lines" (which he did most definitely indeed do in his speech before Congress), then reporting that he had indeed done so is suppose to be "fake news" and "just a piece of opinion"?
Trump is human! He is fallible! Despite the fact that he perfectly fits the mold of either The Anti-Christ or The Beast, he is still both human and fallible.
Of course reporters will find something negative to say about him. It's hard to think of anything positive.
Did Obama have to put up with this kind of stuff?
All the fucking time! Where were you for the past EIGHT YEARS?
Oh, and do please notice that Obama always took it with grace. He didn't immediately respond with an angry tweet.
That link came across on my Windows Phone News feed. Normally, that feed splits Political off from Opinion, but that link was the leader. I wanted to point it out as opinion, but my phone's feed did not allow that.
But behind it all, Faith, what about Steve Bannon? A self-avowed Leninist who wants to destroy the government in order to bring about a war that would eventually reveal a "gray Messaiah"? Just how does that fit into your theology?

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Message 521 of 710 (801065)
03-03-2017 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 519 by PaulK
03-03-2017 12:42 AM


Re: fake news and more fake news
I am a military retiree with 35 years of total service.
If nothing else, the military is known for its endless training. Of course, that includes endless security training. Which includes repeated analysis of those who betrayed national security.
There is one overriding factor in all treasonous actions by Americans against America: money.
Even our enemies note that: Americans will betray their own country and everything they believe in just for money.
And just what is Trump about? Money!
And just what does Trump owe to Russia? Money!
So then is this Trump-Russia connection "fake news", or just the tip of the eisberg?

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