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Tangle
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Message 108 of 710 (800029)
02-19-2017 1:17 PM


Europe's simultaneously angry and amused by this lumpen idiot. He made some nonsense claims on Friday that upset the Swedes.
quote:
You look at what’s happening, he told his supporters. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?
Not the Swedes.
Nothing particularly nefarious happened in Sweden on Friday or Saturday, for that matter and Swedes were left baffled.

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Message 114 of 710 (800044)
02-19-2017 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
02-19-2017 1:20 PM


It's easily found Faith.
Sweden to Trump: What happened last night? - BBC News

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 202 of 710 (800266)
02-21-2017 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
02-21-2017 1:21 PM


Re: The Sweden flap
Oh stop it Faith. Accept that Trump cocked up - nothing happened in Sweden and the crime rate is low and falling. Sweden is both amused and angry about it, he just looks like a buffoon.
He said something similar back in 2016, claiming that there were parts of London that are no-go areas. A total fabrication. It had us all trying to find them. You'd think we'd know wouldn't you?
He's the laughing stock of Europe, he's trashing the reputation of your country.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 233 of 710 (800315)
02-22-2017 5:20 AM


Apparently the Swedes are tweeting that something did happen last night.
It snowed
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Message 242 of 710 (800342)
02-22-2017 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
02-22-2017 12:23 PM


Re: Crime in Sweden is huge.
Faith writes:
They've threatened censorship of the truth and it's probably already underway and soon may be complete, but it's still possible to find some reports of the truth. Just go to You Tube:
"Just go to youtube" that's got to be the carrion call of the new alt.facts movement. Get a T shirt made quick.
Some old fashioned facts
Again, it doesn't ring true, and this time because the numbers don't add up. According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Br), the number of rapes reported annually in the country per 100,000 citizens has been relatively steady for almost a decade.
In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes per 100,000 people, 60 in 2015, 69 in 2014, 63 in 2013, 66 in 2012, 69 in 2011, 64 in 2010 and 2009, 59 in 2008 and 52 in 2007.
Those figures show there was actually a 12 percent dip in the number of rapes reported in Sweden in 2015 — the year the country received a record 163,000 asylum applications, at the peak of the refugee crisis. The figures for 2016 are preliminary.
Just a moment...
There are some other interesting facts that you might like to dismiss in that link too.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 331 of 710 (800510)
02-24-2017 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Faith
02-24-2017 1:00 PM


Re: Galloping disinformation as usual
Faith writes:
Ah well, clearly the propaganda from the Swedish government that is strangled by political correctness is simply preferred by posters here.
Don't be an fucking idiot.
Sweden is a modern Western democratic nation. It collects objective data on crime for all sorts of reasons and has done so for generations. It publishes it's sources and methodologies. The data is subject to independent audit and analysis by god knows how many interested organisations from criminologists to jourmalists. Any fiddling with it would immediately create a public scandal.
Your anecdotes are absurd and your agenda an abomination - to use your damn bible accurately for once.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 358 of 710 (800581)
02-26-2017 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by Faith
02-26-2017 6:44 AM


Re: Conspiracy theories are rarely reasonable
Faith writes:
You have a few statistics on your side, that cfan be answered by statistics on the other side. And that's really all you've got except your prejudice that anything else is a conspiracy theory.
We have official governemt and independent agency statistics on our side. Statistics that have been collected for tens of years before any of this fake nonsense was dreamed of. From before there could even be a point to fiddling with them. In Sweden the stats were even deliberately made worse so that women would be ecouraged to report every incidence of sexual assault. Long running campaigns have tried to get more rapes reported. The statistics are used by governments and other agencies for social policy and planning. Criminologists and journalists would spot any fiddling within minutes.
You have anecdote and youtubes. TV shows that have imposters and felons pretending to be experts and editorials that have since been debunked by those interviewed. And the only way you can deny the facts is to claim a conspiracy without evidence.
Do you really think that those are equally valid sides of an argument?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 362 of 710 (800590)
02-26-2017 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Faith
02-26-2017 8:19 AM


Faith writes:
There is no good reason to dismiss video evidence as inferior. It can be true or faked just as written evidence can be, and so can statistics.
That is just wrong. Flat out wrong.
Statistics have to be statistically valid. Government statistics are not just random sets of numbers, they're objective and gathered in a scientific way such that their error rates are known and can verified by third parties.
Youtube videos are no better than anecdotes produced by people with agendas.
There is no equivalence at all. None. If you can't tell the difference, you're part of the damn problem.
The reverse has been asked and I gave good reasons; I don't see any good reasons in answer to the opposite question.
You're kidding? Trump got to be president of the USA by lying and making stuff up like the Swedish rapes and the non-existing UK no-go areas. How much more evidence do you need? It's propganda that appeals to the hard of thinking and the bigots that don't know the difference between a story and a fact.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 446 of 710 (800863)
03-01-2017 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by RAZD
03-01-2017 12:16 PM


Re: it's hard to walk with only right feet ...
double post
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 447 of 710 (800864)
03-01-2017 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by RAZD
03-01-2017 12:16 PM


Re: it's hard to walk with only right feet ...
If there is nobody to the right of you Faith, you are at the extreme right edge.
You’re sat on the North Pole Faith, everybody else is South of you - it doesn't matter which direction you look in. Everybody else is a goddamn liberal.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 614 of 710 (801601)
03-08-2017 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Faith
03-08-2017 9:57 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Yup, they're definately more videos.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 669 of 710 (801816)
03-09-2017 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by Faith
03-09-2017 10:24 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Faith writes:
There are videos of Muslim problems coming out of all of them.
Yup, there are videos. And?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 671 of 710 (801818)
03-09-2017 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by Faith
03-09-2017 11:06 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
Faith writes:
Here's an article from a year ago about the migrant situation in Europe, focusing on a long list of headlines on the subject.
Yup, that's an article.
Are you getting the point yet?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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