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JonF
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Message 53 of 710 (799952)
02-18-2017 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
02-18-2017 2:55 PM


Gallup and every other polling organization except Rasmussen agree.
So, of course, you believe the one that always is a rightward outlier because you like it.

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Message 57 of 710 (799956)
02-18-2017 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
02-18-2017 3:53 PM


Yep. Reality or truth doesn't enter into it. You like Trump, therefore everybody does.
Pathetic.

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JonF
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Message 68 of 710 (799967)
02-18-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
02-18-2017 4:11 PM


we more or less politely let his supporters have their day
You're kidding right? Have you ever listened to right wing radio or TV? Or visited a right-wing web site?

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JonF
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Message 100 of 710 (800010)
02-19-2017 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
02-18-2017 6:48 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
He wasn't worshiped? Did you miss the worshipful songs sung on his behalf, little children taught to sing "Obama's gonna lead us, Obama's gonna save us" or some such pie-eyed Nazi style adulation? Did you miss Oprah calling him "The One?" I put some of this up on my blog, maybe I can still find it. Even that logo with the Obama "sun" coming up. Actually he plunged us into deep darkness and if Trump can do anything to get us even partly out of this pit of slime we've been drowning in it will be a miracle.
Yes, I missed all thoise, because they were right-wing fantasies that never happened.

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JonF
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Message 101 of 710 (800011)
02-19-2017 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
02-19-2017 12:45 AM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
All of that is fake news in the sense of manufactured for the purpose of destroying the man
FYP.
None of it is true. It's all been debunked ver and over and over again.
It was Obama and his helpers who did any faking of documents.
And you can't produce any documents established as fake. Just paranoid BS.
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JonF
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Message 135 of 710 (800130)
02-20-2017 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
02-19-2017 12:53 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
Actually I found some still up on You Tube:
Whoops. you're right. I was wrong. Now I remember that stuff.
Which I and many others found to be pretty creepy. But they were individuals expressing their feelings. Many people were incredibly excited by our first black president.,

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JonF
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Message 136 of 710 (800131)
02-20-2017 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Modulous
02-19-2017 7:36 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
can you imagine it Trump had teenage girls do a song and dance routine at one of his rallies with lyrics like
quote:
Enemies of freedom
Face the music
Come on, boystake ‘em down!
President Donald Trump knows how
To make America great
Deal from strength or get crushed every time
I had forgotten that too. Talk about officially sponsored creepy vs. individuals speaking up!

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JonF
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Message 137 of 710 (800132)
02-20-2017 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
02-20-2017 3:33 AM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
Somehow I don't see the similarity between a performance at a rally that celebrates principles, something like cheerleaders,
Replacing Jusus' name with Obama's was wrong. Bit it was not an officially sponsored act.
The song about hate was officially spnosred. I see a difference.

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JonF
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Message 246 of 710 (800346)
02-22-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
02-22-2017 12:23 PM


Re: Crime in Sweden is huge.
What I posted in Message 197 is simply true, there is an incredible epidemic of rape and other crimes in Sweden
Ain't so. Crime and rape is pretty flat in Sweden. There was a small uptick in rape in 2016 compared to 2015, but rapes in 2016 were fewer than in 2014.
Last year there were 50% more murders in Orlando/Orange, Florida, than in all of Sweden.
quote:
Canadian reporter Doug Saunders rigorously investigated the narrative, and concluded that it falls apart as soon as you speak to anyone knowledgeable in Sweden. Official Swedish statistics do indeed show a high rate of rape, but that’s because Swedish law has an extremely expansive definition of what qualifies as rape under the law. Sweden has a higher official rape rate, in short, because its police are better able to investigate and prosecute sexual violence.
Here are Sweden's crime stats for 2016: analysis:
quote:
That’s according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Br), whose preliminary figures suggest that the overall number of crimes reported in Sweden during the last year was around 1.5 million, only a marginal (6,470) increase compared to 2015.
...
But a criminology expert has warned The Local that reaching conclusions by analyzing figures for reported crimes is a tricky business.
Reported crimes are a lousy measure of the development of crimes. The number of crimes reported tends to be dependent on the discussion going on in the country, University of Stockholm criminology professor Jerzy Sarnecki said.
What criminologists do is to look at the 10-year, 20-year development. Then we can see the trends. Year to year, it’s impossible to judge why changes occur, he added.
An example of a figure from Br’s statistics which paints one picture in isolation but a different one with further context is that the number of rapes reported in Sweden increased by 13 percent in 2016 to 6,560.
But when that number is compared to 2014, where the number of reported rapes was 6,700, then a slight decrease can actually be seen. In other words, the number of reported rapes in Sweden dipped in 2015 (down by 12 percent to 5,920) then in 2016 it returned to around the same level as 2014.
Seen over a ten-year period, the number of reported rapes has gone up from 4,208 in 2006, partly because of legislative changes in the previous year and in 2013 broadening the definition, according to Br.
According to Br's figures, 10,500 incidents of sexual molestation were reported in the country in 2016 — a striking increase of 20 percent on 2015 (when 8,840 were reported).
But once again, 2015 was a year when reported sexual molestation had dropped significantly — it was down by eight percent that year compared to 2014, when 9,640 incidents were reported.
The number of crimes reported can depend very much on the propensity to report, Sarnecki noted.
In 2016 for instance there was a lot of discussion about sexual assault and the relation between sexual assault and immigration. We know through research that those kind of years with more discussion of those subjects see the number of crimes reported increase.
"The problem with explaining these figures is that very many variables not necessarily related to crime impact the figures. You have to be very careful, in particular if you look at changes on a year-to-year basis," he concluded.
Your sources are fake news.

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JonF
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Message 266 of 710 (800372)
02-22-2017 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Faith
02-22-2017 1:43 PM


Re: One report on Sweden
But in my opinion even one made by an honest observer should be enough to suggest to an honest viewer that perhaps the truth isn't being promoted by the usual sources.
Maybe... but you are assuming without evidence that the speaker is honest.
I and others have posted evidence essentially proving his dishonesty.
There is no spike in crime or rape in Sweden.

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JonF
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Message 268 of 710 (800374)
02-22-2017 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Faith
02-22-2017 1:48 PM


Re: One report on Sweden
It's obvious. Take it or leave it.
No, it isn't obvious. At least not to all.
You know who absolutely adores people who say "it's obvious"? Con-men and liars. They know you're sure you can't be fooled, your intuition tells you the truth. They adore people like that because they are such easy marks.
Me, I know darn well I can be fooled. I've been fooled before and I'll be fooled again. But I won't be fooled again often, because I am always worrying that I might be being fooled.
This need to pretend that these things are not happening in Europe is astonishing.
Incredible.

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JonF
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Message 297 of 710 (800440)
02-23-2017 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Faith
02-23-2017 11:12 AM


I know I am right. Consider it from that point of view for a change and then offer advice.
Admit you are a fallible mortal who could be wrong.
Or are you claiming infallibility?
Again?
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JonF
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Message 320 of 710 (800488)
02-24-2017 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Faith
02-23-2017 6:54 PM


Your charts of course miss the whole point, since the big increase in crime began with the current influx of '"refugees", within the last couple of years.
The numbers for the last three years are available and have been posted here. If the chart were extended to include 2016 it would look the same. Crime is not up, rapes are not up.
No matter how many people post evidence-free rants on YouTube.

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JonF
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Message 321 of 710 (800489)
02-24-2017 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Faith
02-23-2017 9:35 PM


I've already posted a lot of evidence on this thread that I trust. If your information agrees with it great, if not I trust what I've posted.
No mention of truth or reality. Telling.
such as a couple of policemen, seem to be bullied into changing their minds, saying they don't want to appear racist,
Of course you have no evidence or reason to believe they were bullied.

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JonF
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Message 322 of 710 (800490)
02-24-2017 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 312 by Faith
02-24-2017 3:16 AM


Obviously it does leak. The "right wing" seems to have a different set of statistics.'
The right wing has no statistics. Just a few anecdotes.

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