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Author Topic:   The Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right
herebedragons
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Message 107 of 960 (801402)
03-05-2017 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
03-05-2017 3:54 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
political correctness, which IS an organized systematic arsenal of weaponry of character assassination
Faith, this is a serious question and not an argument against your position. But I am having trouble understanding what, in your mind, political correctness actually is.
To me, it means we avoid speech that is insensitive and degrading to a particular group of people. My daughter was in 3rd or 4th grade and we were talking and I said "Indians", and she said to me very seriously "Oh, Dad, we don't call them Indians any more, they are 'Native Americans'." I was a bit taken aback, but I was like, "Oh, OK." And since then, I have tried to not use the term 'Indian' to refer to Native Americans. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about that is Marxist and evil?
It also means to me that we don't use terms like n*****, porch monkey, slant eyes, spic, wetback, faggot, queer bait, kraut, paddy, and so on... You certainly don't find it troubling that it is politically incorrect to use derogatory terms like these, do you?
Has all this worrying about offending someone gone too far? Possibly.
For example, should it be offensive to have a sports team named the Cleveland Indians or the Washington Redskins? I don't think so, but then again, I am not the group that those terms are directed at. Did those franchises intend to be derogatory? No, probably not. In fact, they probably meant them as a compliment of sorts - implying fierce and proud warriors. But the people who those terms are referring to don't feel that way about them. Should we then say "Screw you, the majority of people are not offended so just get over it" or should we be sensitive to their perceived affront and be willing to make changes in the way we present Native Americans?
Is it not better to err on the side of sensitivity? Should we not do the best we can to not make ANY group of people feel marginalized? That is what politically correct speech means to me.
So, in all seriousness, could you please define, without using political accusations, what "politically correct" speech means to you. And why you find this so troubling.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 136 of 960 (801446)
03-06-2017 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
03-06-2017 2:20 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
That's part of the rationalization, but I have never used such speech here and yet I'm called a racist and a bigot.
Using derogatory terms is not the only form of racially insensitive or bigoted speech. One can use all the "politically correct" terms and still say things that are racist and bigoted.
I give reasoned analysis of the problems with illegal immigration
No you don't, you give radical conspiracy theory nonsense. If your arguments were reasoned and rational, I (we) would be more likely to be convinced. Your accusation that we are all brainwashed Marxists is just a shallow excuse to avoid having to make real, rational and reasoned analysis. All you have to do is make an assertion and if we disagree, it is because of our evil leftist Marxist brainwashing.
My daughter was in 3rd or 4th grade and we were talking and I said "Indians", and she said to me very seriously "Oh, Dad, we don't call them Indians any more, they are 'Native Americans'." I was a bit taken aback, but I was like, "Oh, OK."
That actually turns my stomach. Yes, it's a perfect case.
So when Native Americans suggest that the term 'Indian' is offensive to them because it refers back to a time when they were thought of as savages that needed to be either tamed or destroyed and driven out of their land in the face of white "progress" and they wish to no longer be referred to as 'Indians' any more, your response IS "Screw you! I don't mean anything racist by it so just get over it."
I have a problem with "Native American" myself. How does anybody know who was "native" here, whether there were earlier peoples who deserve the name. The term itself is Marxist PC propaganda.
Ok, now this is just plain dumb. We have physical evidence that these groups of people inhabited this continent for over 5,000 years, which means they must have arrived very shortly after the flood. Or are you thinking there may have been people living here more than 10,000 or 20,000 years ago that deserves the title "Native American."
It is a fact that there were native peoples living here when the Europeans arrived here and that our ancestors forced the native peoples out of their land and into Reservations. We robbed them of their way of life and their dignity and now you call that idea Marxist propaganda?
Civilized people naturally have sensitivity to people's feelings, you shouldn't have to be upbraided for not following some formula about it;
I'm not sure what world you live in, but this does not appear to be the case. People are pretty insensitive to the feelings of people who are different than they are. The point is to inform and teach people what is insensitive and how other people, who feel marginalized, perceive the way you speak about them.
We've4 got a team called the Patriots. Should serious patriots get all pushed out of shape? How about a team called the Pilgrims? I see no genuine problem with any of this.
Do patriots and pilgrims feel marginalized by these terms? This is hardly the same thing, Faith.
PC is recognized by just about every conservative as THE Leftist program to control people and destroy people. Horowitz discusses it in that video in my OP. If you listen to any conservative sources you will find it discussed as Leftist tyranny.
So... no, you are not capable of describing what you think political correctness is without using political accusations.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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