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Message 97 of 1484 (802210)
03-13-2017 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
03-13-2017 12:53 PM


Re: God's marriage ordinance
Faith writes:

Well, there isn't a shred of a hint of polygamy among the Jews in Jesus' or Paul's time.


I found a shred of a hint:
quote:
"When the Christian Church came into being, polygamy was still practiced by the Jews. It is true that we find no references to it in the New Testament; and from this some have inferred that it must have fallen into disuse, and that at the time of our Lord the Jewish people had become monogamous. But the conclusion appears to be unwarranted. Josephus in two places speaks of polygamy as a recognized institution: and Justin Martyr makes it a matter of reproach to Trypho that the Jewish teachers permitted a man to have several wives. Indeed when in 212 A.D. the lex Antoniana de civitate gave the rights of Roman Citizenship to great numbers of Jews, it was found necessary to tolerate polygamy among them, even though it was against Roman law for a citizen to have more than one wife. In 285 A.D. a constitution of Diocletian and Maximian interdicted polygamy to all subjects of the empire without exception. But with the Jews, at least, the enactment failed of its effect; and in 393 A.D. a special law was issued by Theodosius to compel the Jews to relinquish this national custom. Even so they were not induced to conform." Wikipedia

Faith writes:

Maybe it existed among the Greeks and Romans?


See above.

Would it kill you to be right about something just once?


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Message 99 of 1484 (802212)
03-13-2017 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
03-13-2017 1:10 PM


Re: God's marriage ordinance
Faith writes:

I'm right a lot, it just doesn't get acknowledged.


I've cheered you every time you were right.
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Message 137 of 1484 (802276)
03-14-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
03-14-2017 7:21 AM


Re: Summary of Topic
Faith writes:

So whenever there is a conflict between the law and a Christian's conscience about the ordinance of marriage the Christian must refuse to obey the law.


If something in your job offends your conscience, you get a different job.

If spewing carbon into the atmosphere offends your conscience, don't work in a gas station. If pornography offends your conscience, don't work in a sex shop. If your conscience is fussy about who should marry whom, don't work in the wedding industry.

Deliberately working in an industry where you KNOW you're going to have to break the law is NOT condoned by Christianity.


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Message 139 of 1484 (802279)
03-14-2017 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by New Cat's Eye
03-14-2017 12:24 PM


Re: related issues
New Cat's Eye writes:

If they would have quietly been bigots then we wouldn't be talking about this.


"When bigotry is outlawed, only outlaws will be bigots."

Makes it easier to spot the outlaws.


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Message 142 of 1484 (802285)
03-14-2017 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by New Cat's Eye
03-14-2017 12:36 PM


Re: related issues
New cat's Eye writes:

Bigoted behavior may be outlawed, but you're not going to end bigotry, itself, with laws.


The only part of bigotry that matters is the behavior.
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Message 178 of 1484 (802348)
03-15-2017 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Tangle
03-15-2017 1:38 PM


Re: related issues
Tangle writes:

Just pick your fights shrewdly otherwise you risk being seen not being normal, nice etc.


That's what they used to tell the uppity niggers: "Be more like the good niggers."
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Message 226 of 1484 (802427)
03-16-2017 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Minnemooseus
03-16-2017 1:32 AM


Re: Going for all or nothing may mean getting nothing
Moose writes:

It seems pointless to take the high moral ground is that is going to lead to a loss.


Two steps forward, one step back. If you don't take a step forward, you ain't gonna go forward.
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Message 228 of 1484 (802430)
03-16-2017 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
03-16-2017 9:12 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem....


What about a cake that says "GAY PRIDE!" on it? The two guys that order it tell you specifically that it's NOT for a gay wedding, it's just for gaiety in general.
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Message 272 of 1484 (802521)
03-17-2017 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
03-16-2017 10:37 PM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

... it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience....


You and Trump need to learn that US laws are not allowed to target specific religions. They apply equally to ALL religions. So if a Satanist baker refuses to make a cake for a True Christian wedding, he's breaking the same law as you are.
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Message 275 of 1484 (802524)
03-17-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
03-17-2017 8:43 AM


Re: witchery
Faith writes:

It's still not completely clear, but I'm not at all surprised to hear there are witches -- in Hollywood and elsewhere -- dispatching their demon friends to do him in.


Shakespeare predicted it:
quote:
Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

-- Macbeth, Act 1 Scene 1



Hollywood (filthy air) and no doubt San Francisco (fog) too.

And of course, you've been telling us for years that fair is foul and black is white.


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Message 276 of 1484 (802525)
03-17-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
03-17-2017 11:58 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

True, but we know that Christianity is the truth, and that's why the devil is particularly after us and would have no reason to bother about anybody else disobeying it.


The devil doesn't need to go after you. You're imploding quite nicely on your own.
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Message 281 of 1484 (802530)
03-17-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
03-17-2017 12:10 PM


Faith writes:

It's between a man and a woman exclusively.


The language in the Bible isn't exclusive. It says what a man shall do, not what he shall not do.
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Message 293 of 1484 (802542)
03-17-2017 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by Faith
03-17-2017 1:05 PM


Re: Those who will not inherit the kingdom of God unless they repent
Faith writes:

"... nor revilers...."


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Message 322 of 1484 (802599)
03-18-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
03-18-2017 9:26 AM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

I've many times here already said there is no problem with anything available in a bakery except a personal custom-made wedding cake.


You're making a very petty nitpick about a very petty situation. You're singling out homosexuality from a wide variety of Old Testament infractions. Homosexuality is NOT a big issue in the Bible. It's on a par with eating shellfish. (Note that the children of Israel would not have been exposed to a lot of shellfish while wandering in the desert, which was when the law was given. It looks like they just threw in a few insignificant "abominations" to fill up the page.)
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Message 326 of 1484 (802605)
03-18-2017 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Faith
03-18-2017 12:23 PM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:

Homosexuality was practiced as part of the religious rituals in many of the heathen idolatries...


Chapter and verse, please.

Faith writes:

I keep trying to say this is about God's definition of marriage far more than it is about the particular sin of homosexuality.


It has nothing to do with "God's definition of marriage". The Bible does NOT define marriage the way you claim it does.

Faith writes:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY AS SUCH.


Then why are homosexual marriages the only ones you are complaining about? Why not refuse to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer? Adultery is a pretty big issue in the Bible.
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