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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I found a shred of a hint:
Well, there isn't a shred of a hint of polygamy among the Jews in Jesus' or Paul's time.quote: Faith writes:
See above. Maybe it existed among the Greeks and Romans? Would it kill you to be right about something just once?
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I've cheered you every time you were right.
I'm right a lot, it just doesn't get acknowledged.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
If something in your job offends your conscience, you get a different job. So whenever there is a conflict between the law and a Christian's conscience about the ordinance of marriage the Christian must refuse to obey the law. If spewing carbon into the atmosphere offends your conscience, don't work in a gas station. If pornography offends your conscience, don't work in a sex shop. If your conscience is fussy about who should marry whom, don't work in the wedding industry. Deliberately working in an industry where you KNOW you're going to have to break the law is NOT condoned by Christianity.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
"When bigotry is outlawed, only outlaws will be bigots." If they would have quietly been bigots then we wouldn't be talking about this. Makes it easier to spot the outlaws.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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New cat's Eye writes:
The only part of bigotry that matters is the behavior.
Bigoted behavior may be outlawed, but you're not going to end bigotry, itself, with laws.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tangle writes:
That's what they used to tell the uppity niggers: "Be more like the good niggers."
Just pick your fights shrewdly otherwise you risk being seen not being normal, nice etc.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Moose writes:
Two steps forward, one step back. If you don't take a step forward, you ain't gonna go forward.
It seems pointless to take the high moral ground is that is going to lead to a loss.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What about a cake that says "GAY PRIDE!" on it? The two guys that order it tell you specifically that it's NOT for a gay wedding, it's just for gaiety in general.
I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem....
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You and Trump need to learn that US laws are not allowed to target specific religions. They apply equally to ALL religions. So if a Satanist baker refuses to make a cake for a True Christian wedding, he's breaking the same law as you are.
... it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience....
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Shakespeare predicted it:
It's still not completely clear, but I'm not at all surprised to hear there are witches -- in Hollywood and elsewhere -- dispatching their demon friends to do him in.quote:Hollywood (filthy air) and no doubt San Francisco (fog) too. And of course, you've been telling us for years that fair is foul and black is white.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The devil doesn't need to go after you. You're imploding quite nicely on your own.
True, but we know that Christianity is the truth, and that's why the devil is particularly after us and would have no reason to bother about anybody else disobeying it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The language in the Bible isn't exclusive. It says what a man shall do, not what he shall not do.
It's between a man and a woman exclusively.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
"... nor revilers...."
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're making a very petty nitpick about a very petty situation. You're singling out homosexuality from a wide variety of Old Testament infractions. Homosexuality is NOT a big issue in the Bible. It's on a par with eating shellfish. (Note that the children of Israel would not have been exposed to a lot of shellfish while wandering in the desert, which was when the law was given. It looks like they just threw in a few insignificant "abominations" to fill up the page.)
I've many times here already said there is no problem with anything available in a bakery except a personal custom-made wedding cake.
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ringo Member (Idle past 402 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Chapter and verse, please.
Homosexuality was practiced as part of the religious rituals in many of the heathen idolatries... Faith writes:
It has nothing to do with "God's definition of marriage". The Bible does NOT define marriage the way you claim it does.
I keep trying to say this is about God's definition of marriage far more than it is about the particular sin of homosexuality. Faith writes:
Then why are homosexual marriages the only ones you are complaining about? Why not refuse to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer? Adultery is a pretty big issue in the Bible.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY AS SUCH.
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