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Author Topic:   Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity
nwr
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Message 416 of 1484 (802732)
03-19-2017 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 411 by Faith
03-19-2017 5:29 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
It's GAY MARRIAGE that's the problem because of the SCOTUS RULING that requires me to treat it as legitimate which the Bible says I cannot.

I don't believe that there is any such requirement in the SCOTUS ruling.

It requires that courts and legislatures treat it as legitimate for the purposes of making legal judgments or enacting laws. It does not impose any requirement on how people view it.


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Message 512 of 1484 (802857)
03-20-2017 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Faith
03-19-2017 7:09 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
If I refuse to serve a gay wedding I will be punished.

Nonsense. Slavery was ended long ago.

There are laws about what businesses are required to do. But that's not the same as a requirement for individuals.


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Message 786 of 1484 (803528)
04-01-2017 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by Faith
04-01-2017 12:33 PM


Re: marriage ordinance again
Anything about marriage in Jesus' quotation of Genesis 2:24 in Matthew 1:3-6 (and Mark 10:7)?

Actually, no, there isn't anything about marriage. I'm assuming that Matthew reference was th Matt 19, not Matt 1.

That has to do with living together. I see "marriage" as referring to the ceremonial ritual and the state sanctioned contract. And neither are mentioned there.

However, if you prefer to see "marriage" as referring to living together, then gay marriage has existed for a long time. And the cake was for the ceremonial aspects, or really for the party after the ceremonial ritual. If "marriage" does not refer to the ceremonial ritual then this whole issue is completely bogus.


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Message 817 of 1484 (803589)
04-02-2017 10:43 AM
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04-01-2017 6:26 PM


Re: marriage ordinance again
But I'm realizing that nobody reads anything I write or you'd already know my answer to all the silly things people keep bringing up on this thread because I've already discussed them.

But we do read what you write. Maybe you should try reading it yourself.

To think Jesus would be talking about living together the way people do today is really really culturally obtuse. Cleave together, become one flesh?

"Cleave together, become one flesh" is obviously a reference to sexual intercourse. As far as I know, people who live together today often engage in that.

In your case what I've already discussed is that marriage is not always created with a ceremony.

Right. It is called "common law marriage". And it isn't a Christian thing. If anything, Christians have been opposed to it and have considered it to be sinful. Yet the biblical references that you gave, if anything at all to do with marriage, were about common law marriage. And wedding cakes are not involved.

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Message 838 of 1484 (803617)
04-02-2017 6:19 PM
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04-02-2017 1:00 PM


Re: marriage ordinance again
And no they didn't have wedding cakes as far as we're told. That's a symbol of marriage in OUR culture. If someone wants a wedding cake in OUR culture it's for a wedding.

That's pretty much an admission that the whole "baking cakes" argument is bogus.

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Message 922 of 1484 (803757)
04-04-2017 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by Faith
04-02-2017 7:13 PM


Re: marriage ordinance again
Why it should make a difference what the cultural expression of a wedding is I have NO idea. If the custom for weddings in some culture was meat pies I assume a biblical Christian in that culture would have to refuse to make meat pies for a gay wedding. If the custom was marching through the streets with sparklers I assume the Christian supplier of sparklers would have to refuse to sell them for a gay wedding.

This makes it very clear that if a Christian run business decides to discriminate against some potential customers, and if the law bars such discrimination, then the business should be charged with violation of the law. If somebody thinks that is against their religion, then they should not run that kind of business.

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Message 923 of 1484 (803758)
04-04-2017 1:12 PM
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04-02-2017 7:20 PM


Re: This should sum up this topic
ANY service for a gay wedding is a problem for a biblical Christian.

Then, quite clearly, no "biblical" Christian should ever take up a service profession.

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Message 931 of 1484 (803769)
04-04-2017 4:32 PM
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04-04-2017 2:41 PM


Re: This should sum up this topic
WEDDING business, nwr, weddings, not any other kind of service.

It doesn't matter.

If you run a service business, and the law requires you to serve all customers without discrimination, then you serve all customers. If you are not willing to do that, then don't run a service business.


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