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AZPaul3
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Message 222 of 1484 (802423)
03-16-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
03-16-2017 9:12 AM


Re: FYI
I've said many times that any cake that isn't specifically for a wedding is no problem, any cake out of the display case or any custom cake for a birthday party or other celebration. It becomes a problem when the baker is personally engaged in doing something for a gay wedding.

We know from the history of your intolerant brand of christian bigotry that the real problem is not the wedding but the gay. I think this wedding cake thing is just a passive-aggressive response to secular society not allowing you to throw gays off of buildings any more. I can bet that if I walked into an anti-gay-wedding-cake-christian-bigot bakery and announced I wanted to buy a birthday cake for my gay lover I would get the same response.



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AZPaul3
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Message 232 of 1484 (802450)
03-16-2017 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
03-16-2017 11:41 AM


Re: FYI
The truth is that you and others are out to get US ...

Yes we are. We are out to get rid of the True ChristiansTM

My dearly departed uncle was a strong christian man. He was a Methodist Minister and the spiritual soul of the family. If I had been gay like one of my distant cousins my uncle would have and did counsel tolerance, acceptance and love as exemplified by his great hero Jesus. He did not teach bigotry or hatred and was not so insanely obsessed with who other people chose to love.

He was a real christian, not the twisted abomination of Jesus' ideal practiced by True ChristiansTM.

Gays have been served by Christian businesses regularly without a problem, until this law was passed that involve special orders that entail personal involvement for a gay wedding, which is strictly forbidden because of God's ordinance of marriage as for one man and one woman.

An excuse for the True ChristiansTM to show and practice their hate. Nowhere in there is any credence to the teachings of Jesus. You have abandoned his message of love for the errant black heart of old tribal hatreds.

The country has already gone to Hell, might as well take it to the max and lie about Christians too.

Yeah, the country took a dark turn in that direction a few months ago to be sure, but your millennia of True ChristianTM history is quite well documented and well known. No lie about your brethren's evil workings in society and your desires to trample upon human conscience and freedom in your push for a theocracy.

Yes, we are out to stop you.



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Message 234 of 1484 (802462)
03-16-2017 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Faith
03-16-2017 3:44 PM


Re: FYI
May I request a bullet to the brain?

You can request it but you won't get it.

You will watch helplessly as your evil True ChristianTM values die of neglect exposed as the evil of civilization and abandoned by We the People.

Yes, we will get you. We will eliminate your evil. But not so crudely as with a bullet in the head. More subtle. More satisfying. The long lingering death of an evil ideal swept onto the dung heap clutching and gasping as it is buried forever, forgotten.



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Message 241 of 1484 (802481)
03-16-2017 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Faith
03-16-2017 4:17 PM


Re: FYI
The witches could succeed. I guess you'll cheer when that happens.

I will cheer when things like witchcraft, satan, rapture, demons, TrueChristianTM, christianity, religion and irrational anti-science hogwash all leave their places of undue influence over the collective human conscience. I will cheer when you and your brethren lose their obsession trying to dictate who everyone else is allowed to love. I will cheer when our chosen leaders and the people themselves abandon fairy tales and evil religious myth and rule their hearts, minds and actions with rational intellect, evidence-based fact and a realization that all people, Faith, all people are entitled to live in this short life with dignity and honor.

I will cheer the death of the obsessed irrational thought.



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AZPaul3
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Message 247 of 1484 (802490)
03-17-2017 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
03-16-2017 10:37 PM


Re: FYI
Of course this thread isn't about Christians dictating anything, it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience, forcing us to refuse to obey it and therefore be punished.

That’s just the thing, M’lady. Your Christian conscience is borne of hate, ill will and malice toward fellow human beings. You're entitled to preach that in your church but, its continued open expression in the marketplace is an abomination to secular society.

I understand that those words “secular society” are what chafe the souls of you and your TrueChristianTM fellows. Your open actions of hate and oppression, to humiliate and degrade those who are different, are seen by you as some kind of god-given right to purify the people and sanctify what should be a christian society.

You believe that stopping your hateful oppression of others is an oppression of your Christianity. Such is the twisted mind of the TrueChristianTM.

Well, get used to it, Luv. Enlightenment 2.0 is upon us and there will be much more of this in the decades to come.



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Message 845 of 1484 (803624)
04-02-2017 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
04-02-2017 7:20 PM


Re: This should sum up this topic
ANY service for a gay wedding is a problem for a biblical Christian.

So the problem in this society is the biblican christian, not the gay.

We already knew that.



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Message 851 of 1484 (803637)
04-02-2017 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 850 by Faith
04-02-2017 9:42 PM


Re: This should sum up this topic
So the problem in this society is the biblican christian, not the gay.
We already knew that.

True. it's a very simple situation, not requiring all this hot air.

The solution is also very simple. Stop being a bigot.

If these people really are christian then there should be a way to be a good christian without the practice of hateful discrimination. As I recall, that is supposed to be a main feature of being a christian.



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Message 853 of 1484 (803639)
04-02-2017 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 852 by Faith
04-02-2017 9:55 PM


Re: This should sum up this topic
Christians are kind to everybody including sinners but we don't support sin itself. Sorry.

Refusing to do business with someone because of their sins, and only some specifically selected sins at that, is hardly kind. It is, in essence, casting stones at them. The rest of the phrase you already know.



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Message 1010 of 1484 (804412)
04-09-2017 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1009 by Faith
04-09-2017 9:03 AM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
I don't think there is any similarity at all as I've said many times. Homosexuality is not comparable to race.

Exactly the same.

In the Alabama case Wallace was touting his perceived State's Right to discriminate. In your case you are touting your perceived religious right to do the same. They are both the same evil, painted with the same hate-filled brush but one is black and the other is rainbow.



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Message 1361 of 1484 (855300)
06-18-2019 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1359 by Chiroptera
06-18-2019 11:47 AM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
So you're saying that a christian does not have to become gay to make a gay wedding cake?

So much for an artist becoming their work but ok if the courts so choose.


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Message 1378 of 1484 (855387)
06-19-2019 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1376 by Faith
06-18-2019 11:08 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
You have the right to believe as you want but not the right to act as you want. The rest of us get to decide how our people are treated.

This is a most compelling reason to grind your religion back into the stone age from whence it came and rid our society of its evil influence.


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Message 1397 of 1484 (855417)
06-19-2019 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1395 by Hyroglyphx
06-19-2019 1:35 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
The difference is the decoration.

Before any talk of decoration the baker refused to take the order because, this is the important point, he did not want to provide any product intended to for use in a gay wedding. The business request was that the baker do the baker thing and provide a wedding cake. A generic off the shelf wedding cake suitable for any wedding was all that was requested. The baker refused because the customer was gay.

Your scenario is considerably different. It requires the baker to use his talents to create a message. That makes it a free speech issue not a discrimination issue.


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Message 1404 of 1484 (855426)
06-19-2019 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1399 by Hyroglyphx
06-19-2019 2:27 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Customer wants a wedding cake. No talk of decoration. Baker refused because customer is gay. Offer of providing cupcakes or scones was not the order. Just a wedding cake. And the baker reused the order before any talk of decoration took place.

Baker provides wedding cakes but refused to do business, offers cupcakes instead, because they were gay. Didn't want to appear to be supporting gay marriage. Is this any different then refusing a mixed race couple because he didn't want to appear to be supporting integration?

Providing specific themed decoration, not just generic wedding but specifically gay motifs, is another matter altogether.

Would we agree that Phillips could be compelled to bake a nondescript cake with no decorations?

He can be compelled to provided wedding cake with customary and usual decorations since that is what he advertises to the public he offers and it is what his public business licence expects.

Would he be protected from being forced to decorate it in a manner that conflicts with his religious beliefs?

Yes.

Where's the line?

The decoration.

Baker was not asked to perform anything special outside his normal business. He refused because the customer was gay. That is discrimination under the law.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 1407 of 1484 (855434)
06-19-2019 6:36 PM
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06-19-2019 4:04 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
Now that is interesting, Chiroptera. A Bride/Groom topper is customary and usual. Is a groom/groom topper a special? Especially if no other gay motifs are present?

I might think it would be, but that's what courts are for.


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Message 1429 of 1484 (855559)
06-20-2019 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1423 by Faith
06-20-2019 1:01 PM


Re: SCOTUS refuses to hear about "gay wedding cakes"
And you obviously don't understand this whole gay marriage thing since it's not against gays as such but specifically against their being married, which is a violation of God's law of marriage between a man and a woman.

Yes, we know your god is a god of hate. You really don't need to keep pointing it out to us.


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