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Minnemooseus
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Message 207 of 1484 (802387)
03-16-2017 1:32 AM


Going for all or nothing may mean getting nothing
Just looking at GLBT rights from a political candidate and/or party position:

One may have the choice of pushing GLBT rights issues moderately or (for lack of a better term) extremely. Now "extreme" may be the progressive moral right thing to do, but...

If one chooses "moderate" and win the election, then moderate (or greater) gains are possible.

If one chooses "extreme" and looses the election (because of loosing the support of moderates or whatever), then moderate (or greater) gains possibilities are (severely?) reduced, and losses are a possibility.

It seems pointless to take the high moral ground is that is going to lead to a loss.

OSLT.

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Message 243 of 1484 (802485)
03-16-2017 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Faith
03-16-2017 8:57 AM


(At least some) wedding cakes - Monuments of excess

Being a cynical life long never married, why would any sane person want to spend a bunch of money on such a thing?

Think of the pizza and beer you could get for the same price!

And why does a wedding need a professional photographer? Most everyone is armed with smart phones that can capture the event just fine.

Guess it's a potlatch sort of thing.

Moose


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Message 311 of 1484 (802573)
03-18-2017 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Tangle
03-17-2017 7:35 PM


Alternative bakeries
No, one should shrug it off and buy the cake next door from someone that isn't a bigoted idiot. Better, tell them to go fuck themselves and then go next door and spend twice the money on a massive cake with an inverted crucifix stuffed into the top.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Cakes_by_Melissa is the case Modulous is talking about. This happened in a suburb of Portland, OR, I'm pretty sure a liberal area where alternative bakeries were available (did Mod cite an alternative bakery?). Like I believe you alluded to, such is probably not likely the case in the deep south.

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Message 611 of 1484 (803029)
03-22-2017 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 610 by Faith
03-22-2017 10:34 PM


Civil gay marriage is legitimate
I've tried different ways on this thread to get across why making a wedding cake for a gay wedding puts the baker in the position of treating gay marriage as legitimate,...

Gay civil marriage is legally recognized in the United States - It is legally legitimate (even if it might be seen as religiously illegitimate). Providing a cake is not an endorsement of it being religiously legitimate.

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