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NoNukes
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Message 79 of 1484 (802178)
03-12-2017 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by frako
03-12-2017 8:05 AM


Well its written in the same place as those silly laws are. Are you sure you are just not a biggot as is your preacher. And this one is also ceremonial, how can you tell what is a moral law and what is ceremonial?

You nailed it. In previous threads when this is pointed out, Faith has responded by making every narrower and narrower distinctions between laws.

The fact of the matter is that the Bible calls out lots of things as abominations, and most gay hatin' Christians give short shrift to nearly all of those abominations other than gay marriage.

I agree with Paul that the "attack on Christianity" aspect of this thread is total nonsense.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 101 of 1484 (802214)
03-13-2017 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by jar
03-13-2017 7:07 AM


Re: related issues
What that affirmation did do is affirm that the so called "Defense of Marriage Acts" passed in some States were NOT Constitutional.

The Defense of Marriage Act was a federal law that prevented states from having to recognize marriage in other states. Given that the constitution expressly requires states to recognize contracts made in other states, it was fairly obvious that the DOMA was never constitutional, to begin with.

Bigots have actually gone out of their way to be offended by gay marriage. Many of them (and Faith may not fit into this category) talk about redefining of marriage as if they were personally affected by what spouse somebody else chose to marry. I'm not sure any personal right could be less intrusive to other folks. At least with respect to the first amendment, we get offensive speech. What effect does gay marriage have on anybody not involved? Pretty much none.

As someone else expressed, some Christians martyr themselves in the kittens' den these days.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 102 of 1484 (802216)
03-13-2017 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
03-13-2017 12:53 PM


Re: God's marriage ordinance
Doesn't seem too likely that divorce was a problem with polygamists.

Well, if there is no such thing as divorce, booting a wife out of the house even if the house was polygamous would seem to leave the dispatched wife with little to no prospects for the future. So, yeah it would be a problem.

Instead of spending time wondering why you did not check before expounding, I looked to see what Jewish sources said about the practice of polygamy. As best as I can find, polygamy was eliminated from most of Jewish culture around 1000 years ago. That date would also be about 1000 years after the NT was written. It appears that the practice was discouraged but not prohibited. For example, one reference I encountered says that the Talmud discussed how to divide an estate between multiple wives.

http://www.chabad.org/...Does-Jewish-Law-Forbid-Polygamy.htm

quote:
Approximately one thousand years ago, the noted German scholar Rabbi Gershom “the Light of the Diaspora” banned polygamy.1 This ban was accepted as law by all Ashkenazic Jews, but was not recognized by Sephardic and Yemenite communities.

https://www.reddit.com/...why_did_hebrewsisraelitesjews_stop

quote:
The first outright ban on polygamy was around 1000, from the assembly of Rabbeinu Gershom, which banned it for Ashkenazi Jews (roughly European Jews, but they were much more geographically compact a the time). But it seems polygamy was already uncommon--the purpose of the ban was to make religious prohibitions on things that had been undesireable for centuries. That effectively ended polygamy for European Jews, though some, like Rabbi Jacob Emden, thought that the ban shouldn't've been made in theory, but didn't actually practice polygamy.

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/...n-jewish-law-and-culture

quote:
Around the year 1000, the rabbinic leadership of Jewry living in France and Germany (or "Ashkenazic" Jews, many of whom would later migrate to Eastern Europe) declared a ban on polygamy, which still stands today. Hence in the English-speaking world today it's virtually unheard of.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 114 of 1484 (802236)
03-13-2017 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rrhain
03-13-2017 6:59 PM


Re: related issues
In fact, the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution has never been used to require a state to recognize a marriage performed in another state.

No, it has not. However, that does not mean that such arguments would not work. My understanding is that DOMA was enacted when it looked like Hawaii might allow gay marriage.

Looking further, it appears that some commentators agree that you have the better argument, and the Hawaii possibility was just a scare tactic used to get DOMA passed at least as FFC was understood back then. I would argue that it would fare better now.

I'll agree that my editorializing by saying "{fairly obvious" with respect to constitutionality was an overstatement. Based on some of the things you've pointed out, the FFCA might not be sufficient.

t's complicated, but there are scenarios that allow states to not recognize marriages performed in other states.

Yes, there are some such scenarios. But isn't your example about a Canadian marriage? And isn't the case one that never made it to the Supreme Court, or in fact any federal court? Generally speaking federal courts do not handle family law or marriage cases unless there is a constitutional issue. Family law cases based on diversity of citizenship are not subject matter for federal court. The case in question would have been settled based on NY law alone.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 120 of 1484 (802246)
03-14-2017 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
03-14-2017 1:14 AM


Re: Just more made up accusations to distract from the simple point
if asked to perform a special service for a gay wedding or anything else that puts us in the position of treating gay marriage as legitimate, Christians have to refuse, and whatever the law is we are punishable under it for that refusal. Everything else is irrelevant nitpicking

If this is your best argument, you should consider not starting threads such as this one ever again. It is pretty clear that nobody finds this argument persuasive, and that every single poster to EVC has an effective rebuttal. Yet you rely on this argument, and only this argument, time and time again. Here you tell us in all caps that you have no other point.

If you make a Christmas cake with Santa Claus on it, does that imply that Santa is real? No. All that doing so implies is that you have a customer who wants to purchase such a cake. Making wedding cakes is no different. I could cite any number of similar examples. But the principle in question is this. You obey the law not because you agree with it, but because it is the law. If you choose civil disobedience, then you pay the consequences without whining, but it is history that will judge whether your cause is worthy.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 124 of 1484 (802251)
03-14-2017 5:25 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Rrhain
03-14-2017 4:25 AM


Re: related issues
Yes, but there is a similar concept regarding recognition of marriages from other countries in the law.

Similar, perhaps. But quite clearly FFC would not apply in such a case, and that's the principle under discussion.

Again, my point is that there is legal precedent that allows states to deny marriages from other states...to the point that they pro-actively stop you from getting married if it will be illegal when you get home.

Yes, but under current law and under current understanding of the constitution, things like laws against interracial marriage and laws against gay marriage would get no respect, and thus would not constitute a valid legal exception.

emember, we're dealing with justices who have no problem ignoring their own rulings. When Lawrence v. Texas was decided, Scalia directly stated that that decision necessarily required the recognition of same-sex marriage. So when Obergefell came before him, did he follow his own decision? Of course not.

Obviously, all bets are off if we include this into the discussion. The Courts makeup is in flux right now, and there is some chance that more positions may open up for Trump to appoint.

When Lawrence v. Texas was decided, Scalia directly stated that that decision necessarily required the recognition of same-sex marriage. So when Obergefell came before him, did he follow his own decision?

Scalia did dissent in Lawrence. I think that leaves him free to dissent in Obergefell without being considered a hypocrite.

NoNukes writes:

And isn't the case one that never made it to the Supreme Court, or in fact any federal court?


Rrhain writes:

Yes, but because everybody understood there was no point.

There are lots of reasons why cases are not appealed to the Supreme Court. Unlike the case when appealing to federal appeals court, there is an extremely low likelihood of the SC even taking the case.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 157 of 1484 (802304)
03-14-2017 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Rrhain
03-14-2017 3:28 PM


Re: related issues
Um, no. To go to your Yelp example, when enough people notice that the only time the proprietor is begging off is when the customers are gay, their still in violation of the law.

New Cat's Eye has made this point before. He is suggesting that it may take quite some time for folks to notice if the proprietor does not express his refusal in explicit terms. If the baker's schedule is "full" when a gay person enters the store, then he may get away with quite a few refusals, particularly if the baker makes a show of checking the schedule. Obvious the "busy" tactic will fail if a straight couple comes in later that day and is able to get a cake made.

I agree with you that the tactic would eventually fail, but perhaps many bakers could get away with it. The baker is in violation of the law even the first time he lies about why he won't make the cake. The question is how likely the baker is to get caught if he uses a pretext.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 159 of 1484 (802306)
03-14-2017 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Rrhain
03-14-2017 5:05 PM


Re: related issues
And it's because he was pressured, because he was called out on it, because Joe Biden kicked his butt and put him on the spot regarding the issue that he finally came around.

I think Tangle is saying that it is okay to kick Obama's butt around this way, but once the government and the law is on your side, and the problem is bad bakers rather than bad law, that different tactics should be applied. I don't fully agree with him, but I do understand that forcing a baker to make a cake when you could go next door can produce some negative PR for the customer.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 165 of 1484 (802313)
03-14-2017 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Rrhain
03-14-2017 6:24 PM


Re: related issues
NoNukes writes:

I do understand that forcing a baker to make a cake when you could go next door can produce some negative PR for the customer.

Rrhain writes:

I thought you were better than this. Time for the exasperation:

It appears that you are looking for a fight. Even filing a lawsuit can result in negative PR. As for what tactic Tangle thinks you should use instead, well you'd have to ask him. All I have stated is that I understand what Tangle is saying. I don't agree with him. I'm perfectly fine with a noisy lawsuit or boycott, but I don't think his suggestion makes him an idiot.

Ben Carson:

Lol! Okay, bro. I can take a few insults, but citing Ben Carson at me... that one is just too harsh. ROFL. We're on the same side.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Edited by NoNukes, : Change two to too; spell law suit as lawsuit


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 172 of 1484 (802321)
03-14-2017 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Rrhain
03-14-2017 7:25 PM


Re: related issues
But since you're taking up the cause, exactly what do you think the tactic should be for someone who was discriminated against? What's the point of having laws to protect against discrimination if you aren't allowed to use them lest it be seen as "bad PR"?

Didn't I already say that i was perfectly okay with suing and/or boycotting?

But I can understand that such a tactic might not achieve all that much if I tried it in Northwest Arkansas.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 237 of 1484 (802465)
03-16-2017 4:34 PM


Change of course...
I was just about to take note of the fact that the posts here had gotten more acrimonious after Faith stopped posting, what with folks who largely agree on the idea of gay marriage going into bickering mode.

Yikes. I'm glad I did not post that crap. I could not have been more wrong. Welcome back Faith.

Faith writes:

Have you noticed the active witchcraft out there? The plans to bring down Trump by witchcraft?

Nope, but I am not "plugged in" to any source that would be reporting on such things.

Yikes.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 300 of 1484 (802558)
03-17-2017 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by ringo
03-17-2017 12:14 PM


The language in the Bible isn't exclusive. It says what a man shall do, not what he shall not do.

It also does not say what a woman shall do either. There is no way that the cited verse constitutes a definition. About all we can say is that men are told not to spend their lives in their parent's basements.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 301 of 1484 (802559)
03-17-2017 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Faith
03-17-2017 4:11 PM


Re: Biblical sources of the marriage ordinance
Which is a warning not to unite with prostitutes, because sexual union creates one flesh, which is marriage.

Oh really? So now a new definition of marriage based on who you have sex with? How does this help your argument?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 305 of 1484 (802566)
03-17-2017 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by Faith
03-17-2017 4:29 PM


Re: Biblical sources of the marriage ordinance
Oh catch me in a word problem as usual. Sorry, it wasn't meant as a definition of marriage. Uniting with a harlot is obviously not marriage.

So not just a word problem. Your current statement is a complete negation of your original post.

But it says a lot about the spiritual meaning of sex and its power in marriage.

You are welcome to make another attempt at explaining how that verse is even relevant.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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NoNukes
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Message 426 of 1484 (802742)
03-19-2017 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by Rrhain
03-19-2017 5:45 AM


Re: don't rock the boat
Which is exactly the point you and NoNukes and PaulK are missing:

If you think suing someone for violation of anti-discrimination laws is "alienating," you aren't a friend.

You are an idiot. I have already said I am fine with suing. I don't care about alienating. I care about results.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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