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Author Topic:   Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity
vimesey
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Message 634 of 1484 (803062)
03-23-2017 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
03-23-2017 11:37 AM


Re: Not persons but a political/religious belief or concept
Hi Faith - just doing a bit of research on this, in order to try to narrow down why gay marriage is a conscience issue for fundamental Christians and not other issues.

Do the Christian bakers also refuse to bake Eid cakes, as far as you're aware ?

It's probably not an issue in practice, because they are pretty unlikely to use halal ingredients - but if a Muslim family was so impressed with their work, that they asked them to bake an Eid cake with halal ingredients, would they - or indeed you - see that as a matter of conscience to refuse to do it ?


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 642 of 1484 (803070)
03-23-2017 1:33 PM
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03-23-2017 12:34 PM


Re: Not persons but a political/religious belief or concept
Okay, Eid is the Muslim festival, which celebrates the end of Ramadan, a month of religious fasting. Cakes are often eaten at Eid - for fairly obvious reasons.

Halal is a series of requirements, relating to foods, ingredients and methods of preparation, which are permitted by Islam.


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Message 653 of 1484 (803090)
03-23-2017 6:10 PM
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03-23-2017 2:25 PM


Re: Not persons but a political/religious belief or concept
I don't see a problem of conscience with any of that.

That's cool - and I agree with you.

The reason all of this gay marriage thing puzzles me, is that whilst there is a pretty clear ordinance against worshipping other gods in the Bible - eg Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" - it's ok to bake a cake for another god's religious festival. But not for a gay couple's secular marriage.

To me, baking a cake for another god's festival is at least as much a contradiction to a Christian's Biblical commands, as baking a cake for someone else's secular gay marriage (to the extent that either are. I happen to think that neither is that big an affront).

I'm afraid I can't help but feel that religious consciences are being cited in support of a particular prejudice, but are not brought up when it comes to another potential prejudice.


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Message 739 of 1484 (803385)
03-29-2017 3:12 PM
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03-29-2017 2:46 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Hi Faith.

In terms of an analogy, let me run this one past you.

As I understand your past posts, you don't believe that Catholics are true Christians. But the country recognises their faith as Christian, allows their churches charitable status (I think), allows them to conduct legally binding ceremonies etc. It affords their churches the same status it affords yours.

Does that recognition by the US of Catholicism destroy Christianity for you ?


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Message 867 of 1484 (803655)
04-03-2017 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 865 by Dredge
04-03-2017 3:37 AM


When Satan comes along speaking in the name of equality, who can oppose him?

Presumably, people who can't stand equality.


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vimesey
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Message 870 of 1484 (803666)
04-03-2017 10:27 AM
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04-03-2017 3:37 AM


the evils of ...... feminsim

You'll have to forgive me - I'm not familiar with Australian products - is this some new cell phone technology that's driving you to distraction ?


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Message 911 of 1484 (803733)
04-04-2017 5:29 AM
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04-04-2017 4:50 AM


Ok, your responses are straying very much off-topic, and one of the rules here is that you must stay on the topic of the thread - and start a new thread for a new topic.

As a result, I won't respond to your statements re feminism and wider equality. That would involve me going off-topic.

I'm also left querying the extent to which we're being Poe'd here - you state that you're a practising Catholic, and also state that you've never read the Bible. I question therefore the seriousness of your posts, and the depths of your research in making your points.


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Message 1417 of 1484 (855504)
06-20-2019 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1416 by Pressie
06-20-2019 8:28 AM


And here's you suffering no loss, having none of your rights infringed and getting to share in a part of the joy and wonder of two human beings, your friends, finding love with each other.

It's political correctness gone mad !!! ;-)


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Message 1452 of 1484 (855636)
06-21-2019 2:57 AM
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06-21-2019 2:33 AM


Re: and another thing
some weird need that came from who knows where.

The need is to be treated equally by society, when who you are and how you live your life hurts no one else and limits no one else’s rights. That’s hardly weird, Faith.


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