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Author Topic:   Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity
ringo
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Message 327 of 1484 (802606)
03-18-2017 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by LamarkNewAge
03-18-2017 12:26 PM


Re: FYI and meat eating. as "petty"
The topic has nothing to do with meat eating.

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ringo
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Message 331 of 1484 (802610)
03-18-2017 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by LamarkNewAge
03-18-2017 12:50 PM


Re: FYI and meat eating. as "petty"
LMA writes:
the constant bringing up of meat in this thread
Huh?

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ringo
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Message 332 of 1484 (802611)
03-18-2017 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
03-18-2017 12:50 PM


Re: FYI
Faith writes:
YOUR understanding of how the Bible defines marriage is absolutely utterly and completely irrelevant. Conservative Christians know it forbids gay marriage and it doesn't matter in the slightest what YOU think about it.
The Conservative Christian "understanding" of the Bible has nothing to do with the Bible - which is why you always run away from discussions of the Bible.
The Bible doesn't support your position.
Faith writes:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT JUDGING PERSONAL SINS
Of course it is. You're not fooling anybody but yourself.

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ringo
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Message 404 of 1484 (802717)
03-19-2017 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Faith
03-18-2017 1:35 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
You're wrong. It's the conservative view that's irrelevant. What IS relevant is the legal rights of all people, including gay people. If equal rights offends your conservative view, then your conservative view is wrong.

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ringo
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Message 405 of 1484 (802718)
03-19-2017 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by LamarkNewAge
03-18-2017 2:22 PM


Re: FYI and meat eating. as "petty"
LamerkNewAge writes:
See posts 302, 7-8, 79, plus your post.
Meat is not the issue in those posts. The issue is that Faith cherry-picks which parts of the law to obey.

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ringo
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Message 406 of 1484 (802719)
03-19-2017 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Faith
03-19-2017 5:02 AM


Re: Third time, Faith
Faith writes:
This is about the baker's CONSCIENCE....
Then... get... a... different... job.

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ringo
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Message 407 of 1484 (802720)
03-19-2017 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Faith
03-19-2017 11:31 AM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
Faith writes:
"Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
quote:
Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Same chapter, same context, same cherry tree.
And:
quote:
Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
That one applies to pretty much all of us, doesn't it?
How can you single out homosexuality?

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ringo
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Message 471 of 1484 (802804)
03-20-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 411 by Faith
03-19-2017 5:29 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
Faith writes:
It's GAY MARRIAGE that's the problem because of the SCOTUS RULING that requires me to treat it as legitimate which the Bible says I cannot.
You're not answering the question. I asked why you're singling it out.
What's the difference between being "required" to bake a wedding cake and being "required" to serve shellfish if you work at Red Lobster? Or being "required" to sell cotton-polyester blends if you work at Sears? The Bible puts them on the same level as homosexuality.
And the Bible says NOTHING about homosexual marriage, only homosexuality itself, so you can stop pretending otherwise.
Faith writes:
Why is this so difficult?
This is so difficult for you because your position is so ludicrous.

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ringo
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Message 473 of 1484 (802806)
03-20-2017 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 470 by Faith
03-20-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
Faith writes:
It doesn't matter that you aren't convinced, it's the reason conservative Christians object to gay marriage and will act on it when pushed to accept it.
But society can't make special provisions for your misunderstanding of the Bible. If you believed that the Bible authorises slavery, our society would still not allow you to own slaves. If you believed that the Bible authorises polygamy, our society would still not allow multiple wives. Your misunderstanding is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

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ringo
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Message 532 of 1484 (802888)
03-21-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
03-20-2017 3:56 PM


Re: Bible definition of gay marriage
Faith writes:
It doesn't matter what the legal basis for punishing the bakery is, the point is refusing to serve a gay wedding is subject to punishment.
Robbing banks is also subject to punishment. The legal basis is important. Even if your religion and/or your conscience requires you to rob the rich to feed the poor, that doesn't supersede the legal basis. The law is in place to protect everybody's property and everybody's rights.

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ringo
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Message 538 of 1484 (802896)
03-21-2017 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Faith
03-21-2017 12:56 PM


Re: Yes, they aren't bigots
Faith writes:
The UK bakers are not bigots, neither am I, neither are any of those who have been punished for obeying God instead of human law.
There are two kinds of people in the world: bigots who try to control their bigotry and bigots who deny their bigotry.

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ringo
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Message 582 of 1484 (802987)
03-22-2017 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 580 by Faith
03-22-2017 3:01 PM


Re: The Main Points
Faith writes:
What Jesus never did was treat sinners as not sinners....
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Jesus treated EVERYBODY as sinners - i.e. He treated everybody equally.

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ringo
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Message 584 of 1484 (802992)
03-22-2017 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by Faith
03-22-2017 3:44 PM


Faith writes:
Gays are sinners, He wouldn't say they aren't, which is essentially what some "Christian" churches are doing.
Sinners are sinners. Some "Christian" churches are singling out gays and putting themselves above them.
Faith writes:
To do anything to appear to treat gay marriage as legitimate....
You are advocating that "Christians" should deliberately break the law when all they would have to do is get a different job. If your eye offends you, pluck it out.

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ringo
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Message 589 of 1484 (802998)
03-22-2017 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by Faith
03-22-2017 4:00 PM


Faith writes:
Gays are singling themselves out....
Not at all. They aren't asking for anything that anybody else isn't entitled to.
Faith writes:
The Christian businesses have been there for years and along comes this law that contradicts basic Christian belief.
It's not a basic Christian belief. It's a whacko fringe belief.
Faith writes:
So your solution is for them to give up their livelihood which has been established for years.
Yes, the same as the slave owners were asked to give up their livelihood.
Faith writes:
Oh and our eye doesn't offend us because we're in the right. The offensive eye is sin and you among others should pluck it out.
That's what I said. If you think you're aiding and abetting a sinner, stop doing it. Don't compound the offense by breaking the law.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 594 of 1484 (803003)
03-22-2017 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by Faith
03-22-2017 4:12 PM


Faith writes:
No, they are asking for something THEY aren't entitled to.
Under the law, they are. YOU are not entitled to deny it to them.
Faith writes:
Marriage was designed for heterosexuals, who are capable of becoming one flesh, as objectively expressed in the conception of children who are the one flesh composed of their parents' flesh.
That's only your belief, and an empty one at that. You are not entitled to break the law for the sake of a belief - ESPECIALLY when it would be so easy to just give up your slaves.
Faith writes:
You are the one in sin. Pluck out your eye already.
ALL have sinned.

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