Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

There is nothing about the cake that is gay specific already. It's a wedding cake, that's all, and the only thing that makes it for a gay wedding is the fact that it is ordered for that purpose. That is what engages the baker's conscience. There is no need to put a couple of male dolls on it, or female, if it is known to be for a gay wedding that's already the problem. As has been said umpteen times on this thread already.What is this need to smear the Christian bakers who are only acting on their understanding of God's requirement?: You can punish them to a pulp if you want, fine them into the poorhouse, drive them out of business, but what's the point of all this insinuating lying garbage against them/us? I 'wouldn't accept" this or that? What's the need of this kind of insinuating lie?

Lots of miscommunication, my fault OK.The situations are the same as far as the baker's conscience is concerned and that is thatl.

bla bla blaHow about writing Tatchell and finding out what he thinks?

As usual you are making garbage out of the point.Jesus was always kind to sinners. What Jesus never did was treat sinners as not sinners, or advocate disobeying God's laws. He might do all kinds of things for gays, but He would not support their marrying because that is a violation of God's law.

As far as the baker's conscience goes, both the writing on the cake, and the wedding cake in the context defined, affirm the legitimacy of gay marriage, which is THE reason for refusing either of them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes we are all sinners, every human being. Yes Jesus treated us all as sinners, because we are. As I said He never treated sin as not sin. He died to save us from sin. If sin weren't sin He wouldn't have needed to die for us. "He loved us while we were yet sinners." He loves us but He doesn't say we aren't sinners. Gays are sinners, He wouldn't say they aren't, which is essentially what some "Christian" churches are doing. He would tell them as He tells us all: Repent and believe and be saved.To do anything to appear to treat gay marriage as legitimate, which is clearly against God's law of marriage, would itself be unkind and unloving, because anything that encourages sin in people encourages their eternal misery. Always the kind thing is to call it sin, refuse to serve it, and advise repentance and belief in Christ for salvation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : too many typos

Gays are singling themselves out and Christians are responding to their provocations.The Christian businesses have been there for years and along comes this law that contradicts basic Christian belief. They are just going along minding their own business when suddenly they are faced with choosing between their faith and their livelihood, as Tangle put it some posts back. So your solution is for them to give up their livelihood which has been established for years. Perhaps it will thrill you to know that that is probably what is going to happen in many cases, unjust though it is.Oh and our eye doesn't offend us because we're in the right. The offensive eye is sin and you among others should pluck yours out.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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No, they are asking for something THEY aren't entitled to. Marriage was designed for heterosexuals, who are capable of becoming one flesh, as objectively expressed in the conception of children who are the one flesh composed of their parents' flesh.You are the one in sin. Pluck out your eye already.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Perhaps you should ponder your last question: why isn't it? Why is it only Christian wedding services that are sued? Hm?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No, they should stop doing things to provoke Chrisitans. Otherwise they can do what they want as always.

Obviously it's impossible to keep up a debate when one party makes nonsensical illogical posts such as yours.

Their belief they are married doesn't implicate me in it, I am free not to believe it. And how would I know in most cases anyway? No, it has has nothing whatever to do with the people, nothing. The writing and the cake, both involve the baker in the event that legitimizes gay marriage. Nor be compelled to construct a symbol of marriage for a wedding that the baker regards as illegitimate.

If you review the context of what is being said here you should find that it started with somebody saying something about CHURCHES singling out gays. I said they do not, they are responding to gay provocations, such as the demand for gay marriage, and now its legalization. There is no particular singling out of gays, it's a response to their actions that contradict Christian doctrine. Preachers also preach against all the other sins, but at the moment adulterers aren't asking to be given some special status that legally elevates them to some other category or erases their adultery.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I honestly don't understand how anyone who calls himself a Christian and presumably knows the Bible, maybe even regards it as God's word (?} can think homosexual relationships are the equivalent of heterosexual relationship in any sense at all, how God's ordinance of marriage could possibly apply to two of the same sex who are not designed for the physical union of marriage, don't qualify in the slightest, whose "union" is called sin in the Bible -- a "Christian" who on top of that criticizes and maligns other Christians who point this out and refuse to do anything to support such violations of God's principles, calling us bigots, calling it a failure of love, and even imputing to Christ Himself such ungodly views. I don't know how far a Christian can go in such an anti-Christian belief and still be a Christian, saved by God's grace, I really wonder. What is God going to do with such Christians?If you really love homosexuals you should be telling them honestly what sin is and how it only earns us all an eternity in Hell, and encourage them to seek salvation. That's love, while justifying their sin as just a normal sexual variation is hate.We'll happily recommend a gorgeous tiered cake to celebrate the day of their salvation, which is in fact marriage to Christ. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.