Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

It runs counter to the clear Biblical statement that God calls a man to leave his parents and cleave to his wife, by which they two become one flesh. One man, one woman, together one flesh. That's God's definition, written in the Bible.

So according to many of you, Christians are wrong in a variety of different ways to disobey the law legalizing same-sex marriage, but since that won't change the view of the Biblical definition of marriage for those who do disobey, I guess you can content yourselves with the knowledge that we'll be punished for it one way or another.

But I disagree with your opinion. The Biblical definition I gave is what it is ALL about, and your disagreeing makes no difference. The definition I gave is valid, it's what all the Christians who have disobeyed the SCOTUS ruling consider to be the definition, it's what they've all acted on, and your opinion is what is irrelevant. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You don't get it. Those who disobey the law know why they disobey it and have no desire whatever to suffer. But we all know that as long as the law stands without any modification that we will be punished if we are put in the position of disobeying it. There's nothing complicated about this, I've stated it from the beginning of the thread.

True, but we know that Christianity is the truth, and that's why the devil is particularly after us and would have no reason to bother about anybody else disobeying it.

And Jesus quotes it where He's preaching against divorce: Also in Mark 10:8Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's perfectly clear to those who have disobeyed the law, so you shouldn't need any explanation or if you do it's probably beyond anyone's ability to succeed at explaining it to you.The Biblical law defines marriage. It's between a man and a woman exclusively.; It is of such strength that it makes man and woman "one flesh." Nothing else qualifies as a marriage. But SCOTUS extended the definition to include two of the same sex. A Christian who believes the Bible definition is authoritative will not do anything to appear to treat any other idea of marriage as legitimate.

You mean besides the fact that we are citizens of that secular society and the law sets us up to be criminals because of what we believe?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I know the idea is that it's unloving to gays to deny them the "right" to be married, but love doesn't approve of anything that goes against God's laws. What everyone needs above all is salvation. We're all immortal, we're all going to "live" forever, if living in Hell can be called life. It's going to last for eternity. We're all going to continue to be conscious for eternity, in one condition or another. Sin, meaning disobeying God, is how we earn Hell. We're all sinners so all of us are destined to Hell on our own records. The only way anyone can be saved from Hell is by recognizing that God sent us a Savior who took our sins on Himself and died in our place, accepting His gift of salvation and giving ourselves completely to Him.Homosexuality is a particularly difficult state of mind to give up for salvation, it isn't like individual sins you can work to give up, it's a whole way of life that involves just about everything the person does. Giving it up has to be excruciatingly difficult. Everyone who is saved out of a sinful life who has no Christian frame of reference suffers in a similar way, loses friends, loses family in many cases, it always costs. I lost all that just as everyone does who converts into nothingness as it were. But it must be all the harder for homosexuals who have to give up their main identity along with friends and lovers. That needs to be acknowledged.This thread is about the cultural context, the law, it's not about evangelizing anybody, but it seemed necessary to say something along those lines somewhere in the thread so I'm saying it now. Love doesn't support anything God calls sin, and eternal life is far far more important to everybody and anybody than the most pleasant arrangements that can be set up in this life. It's worth it to give up absolutely everything for Christ, and everybody who has converted knows that. Everything. Every kind of happiness you can find on this earth, all worth giving up.

You left out that God in the OT calls homosexual acts sin. And the NT says practicing homosexuals cannot have eternal life. Romans 1 very clearly condemns homosexuality and I'll have to look up the other reference, where the term used is "effeminate."Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

All true ideally, but human beings aren't perfect so we don't usually get to appreciate such exalted truths. I remember being awed by the incident in "God's Hiding Place," where the women in the concentration camp barracks thanked God for the fleas, because the Bible says we should. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Taken it to heart many times, repent, God forgives, I fall again.

Which is a warning not to unite with prostitutes, because sexual union creates one flesh, which is marriage.

It was the passage in 1 Corinthians, not Romans, and I didn't quote it because it isn't about unbelievers, which is the context here. It's about Christian liberty, and Paul is referring back to what he'd said about having liberty as a Christian to eat meats sacrificed to idols, so long as a brother is not offended in doing so. Considering that fornication is identified as a sin to keep a person from the kingdom of God, however we are to understand him it can't be as license to visit prostitutes.