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Author Topic:   Can you disprove this secular argument against evolution?
NoNukes
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Message 146 of 293 (804541)
04-10-2017 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by forexhr
04-09-2017 3:16 AM


Re: There you go again writing checks the bank won't cash.
This statement is of course deeply flawed since it neglects one critical aspect of biological reality, and that is: in the context of new structural or environmental niches, the pre-existing functional bio-structures are - junk

This statement is not necessarily true. At any given time, there are varieties of creatures due to mutation. When the environment changes, if one of those varieties has a competitive advantage, it thrives so that its features dominate the population.

Your objection assumes that the variety somehow appears as needed or in response to a change in environment or circumstance. That is not the theory of evolution. If there is not sufficient variation to fill an environmental niche in time to adapt to a change in the environment or other circumstance, then the species may not be successful in that circumstance.

Edited by NoNukes, : clarify.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 166 of 293 (804719)
04-12-2017 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by forexhr
04-12-2017 3:41 PM


Given the discussion on this thread one interesting question arises: why people who argue for evolution cannot choose only one of many thousands of bio-sturctures and provide an empirical illustration for the ratio of non-bio-functional arrangements of particles to bio-functional arrangements of particles and then, through simple mathematical calculations, put this ratio in the context of resources available to evolution?

The reason for not doing so is that your question contains an underlying assumption about evolution that nobody agrees with. The proper way to address loaded questions, such as 'have you stopped beating your wife?' is to address the false assumption. That is what folks have been doing here. They have pointed out the loaded nature of your question, and in some cases have tried to tell you the exact nature of the issue.

Your response has been to belittle the responses, and then finally in the post I am responding to, ridicule the lack of directness to your BS question.

You've long since crossed the line from stubborn to dishonest. I would recommend that at this point folks just let you have this particular discussion to yourself.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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