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Author Topic:   Can you disprove this secular argument against evolution?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 199 of 293 (804933)
04-14-2017 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by forexhr
04-13-2017 3:11 PM


You obviously don't know that a random bag of molecules cannot fertilize the egg cell, convert substrate into product, cut the introns and rearrange the exons, etc. So, according to you -"there is no target goal in mind, but the environment is what it is". So, if the enviornment is egg cell then molecules will just magically arrange themselves into a sperm cell. If the enviornment is a specific substrate then again, molecules will just magically arrange themselves into a specific functional enzyme to achieve enzyme-substrate specificity. If the enviornment is intron-exon gene structure then molecules will just magically arrange themselves into a 200 specific proteins to gain RNA splicing ability. Because the environment is what it is... you just wave your magic wand of 'selective pressure' and molecules will just start flying around to form whatever shape you wish. Your mantras about environment clearly demonstrates that you don't have the capacity for rational discussion about the issue at hand.
Nah man, all that stuff already existed in the parent and the offspring just inherited it. It doesn't have to be created whole cloth from scratch.
You do know how babies are made, right?
How does the phrase "selective pressure" explain bio-organization?
What makes you think it does?
I will leave you in your magical kingdom with your 'selective pressure' because in your posts there is nothing of substance worth rebutting.
That's cool, you haven't rebutted a single thing. You're just wallowing in your ignorance.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 205 of 293 (804958)
04-14-2017 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by forexhr
04-14-2017 12:32 PM


An already dealt deck of cards doesn't have probability because probability is calculated by dividing the number of favorable outcomes by the number of total possible outcomes.
Are you trying to say that if I flip a coin and it lands on heads then there is not a probability that it would have happened?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 223 of 293 (805280)
04-17-2017 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by forexhr
04-17-2017 6:47 AM


Re: Lambda hits Target with spectacular speed.
It just talks about the pre-existing viral J protein that acquired the ability to bind a different protein on E. coli, called OmpF, once the LamB protein, to which it normally binds, was turned off. Since both, LamB and OmpF have similar three-dimensional structures, a few mutations in the viral gene fortuitously led to ability of J protein to bind to OmpF. Hence, one out of three functional pre-existing proteins gained the ability to bind a protein similar to one it normally binds, without any change in its native 3-dimensional structure.
Holy shit, that's what we're screaming!
So you do see that the whole protein doesn't have to be built from scratch, and that pre-existing structures can be slightly modified.
That's why your math is wrong: it assumes each protein has to be built from scratch, whole cloth.
That why you can convince exactly nobody that your argument has merit.
This paper has nothing to do with the issue at hand since it talks neither about evolution of new functional protein folds nor about the ratio of functional amino acid sequences versus the vast combinatorial space.
Actually, as it turns out, that "issue at hand" has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. As has been explained to you ad nauseum.
And this binding ability proves what exactly? That you can produce circulatory system, all joints and bones in your body, or complex, image-forming eyes 100 times independently with 10^43 changes in the spatial positions of molecules?
Well, that number is bullshit. And you're missing quite a few steps in the logic. But ultimately, yeah, that is a ramification.

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