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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
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Message 7 of 353 (814119)
07-04-2017 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
04-04-2017 1:11 AM


The Melting Pot
Do the statistics take into account any decrease in average earnings for any percentage of the global population or is it all a win/win? I fear that the bottom 20% would benefit, but I'm less sure if allowing cheaper labor into a country would help everyone.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 107 of 353 (838013)
08-12-2018 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
08-12-2018 7:18 AM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
jar writes:

But again, the topic is immigration and the fact that Christianity has a long history of being anti-education is pretty much irrelevant just as the fact that even today much of Christianity is based on avoiding learning and education and relying on dogma.

You do make a good point about Islam's contribution to global culture...specifically Western culture...but I think that you tend to generalize Christians and lump them into this category of avoidance of reality when in fact not all of us are like that. Unlike Faith, I have no problem with multiculturalism nor immigration provided it is regulated to some extent in order to preserve our middle class rather than force a bunch of old people to compete with a much younger world.

Edited by Phat, : took out a "not"


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 118 of 353 (838033)
08-12-2018 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by ringo
08-12-2018 3:37 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
ringo writes:

I don't know or care whether my grandparents entered the country legally. They contributed their share while they were here. That's all that matters.

Being a union man, I respect the idea of seniority. Those who were here first should get taken care of (social security,etc) by those coming later. It would be as if you opened your own house to everyone. You still should have the right to your own bedroom and food...as a gesture of respect from the many, you let stay with you. If those of us who built this country...along with our parents...are taken care of, let them all in. If we are forced to compete for space we grew up in, thats another issue entirely.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 120 of 353 (838049)
08-13-2018 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
08-12-2018 6:24 PM


Immigration is OK IF respect is given to those born here.
Perhaps another analogy can clarify my position. Take veterans. Old soldiers. They paid their dues when they were younger. Nobody expects an old soldier to be able to compete with a young soldier, nor does anyone expect a young soldier to get the benefits that an old soldier has earned.

Seniority is for senior people. Agewise and experiencewise, seniority is the fairest system there is. Cultures have long taken care of their elders. This is my prerequisite for immigration---that the domestic aging population is taken care of first.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 136 of 353 (838108)
08-14-2018 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Faith
08-13-2018 8:52 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
One could argue that roads and bridges selectively benefit individuals with automobiles.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 141 of 353 (838128)
08-14-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Faith
08-14-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Would you include social security as a socialistic program?
How about Medicaid for people with one leg who cant enjoy roads and bridges? How about government assistance to buy them a motorized scooter??

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 155 of 353 (838274)
08-17-2018 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Faith
08-17-2018 10:33 AM


Socialism and Immigration
Faith writes:

I certainly haven't denied that we already have many forms of socialism, I might even support some of it, I just don't want any more thank you very much and would like to see reasonable methods for reducing what we've got.


OK what about Social Security? You and I both likely will depend on what we receive for the rest of our lives. Should it be changed? Reduced? Who will pay for our future benefits?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 184 of 353 (838711)
08-26-2018 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by ringo
08-26-2018 2:14 PM


Robber Barons
If I recall, Jesus never advocated robbing anyone. I was always taught that the Lord loves a cheerful giver and that one should give willingly rather than being forced.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Thugpreacha
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Message 335 of 353 (839987)
09-20-2018 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by 1.61803
09-20-2018 5:53 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
I found this. Lemme look up Faiths links below....

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 345 of 353 (849659)
03-17-2019 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by LamarkNewAge
03-16-2019 7:21 PM


Immigrants, Populists & Unionism
LNA writes:

I feel that immigrants help create more jobs NET.

I feel that immigrants help the towns stay alive.

I feel that immigrants help the fiscal budget situation of cities, towns, states, and the federal government.

My Union is largely a democratic institution. I myself am a political moderate. Our rival chain is hiring "temporary workers" at $15.00 an hour. Yet we dont offer the same deal for unionized new hires. Personally, I have no problem with new workers, immigrants or not. UNLESS.....

They take my spot and force me to do harder work elsewhere. OR
My hours (our hours) get cut by hiring them. In a way, I think the populists feel the same way. Some may be racist, but the reason they want a wall is to preserve their own standard of living.

Silly Rabbits! Little do they realize that the US needs more workers to help pay social security for all us old codgers.

Edited by Phat, : sub title

Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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