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Author Topic:   Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate?
ringo
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Message 15 of 353 (837802)
08-09-2018 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
08-09-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Standards versus chaos
Faith writes:

... even if illegal uncontrolled immigration has some positive effects why support such a chaotic nonsystem when sensible nations have always had immigration standards?


You answered your own question. You Americans are schizophrenic about illegal immigration. You get your knickers in a twist about "illegality" but you know you depend on the illegals. Running in all directions at once is inevitable.

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Message 20 of 353 (837809)
08-09-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
08-09-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Standards versus chaos
Faith writes:

Open Borders is having no standards.


If somebody says, "My door is always open," that doesn't mean you can go in and steal his stapler. It still implies a certain standard of courtesy is expected.

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ringo
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Message 22 of 353 (837813)
08-09-2018 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
08-09-2018 2:48 PM


Re: Standards versus chaos
Faith writes:

How about if a hundred people want to camp in your living room?


After the first dozen or so, their enthusiasm will probably start to wane.

Do you really think people would try to jam themseves in where there's no room? Populations tend to be self-regulating. That's what causes migration in the first place.


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Message 28 of 353 (837825)
08-09-2018 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
08-09-2018 2:38 PM


Re: Standards versus chaos
Faith writes:

I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding... leftists/communists....


It does, but I bet I could get in.

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Message 44 of 353 (837882)
08-10-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
08-09-2018 11:23 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Faith writes:

Asians in general come from cultures that value work and personal social responsibility, in other words good candidates for citizenship.


A lot of Muslims are Asian.

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Message 48 of 353 (837889)
08-10-2018 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:38 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

We don't need more socialists.


Socialism is the natural state of social species.

In humans there is a conflict between individual interests (greed) and collective interests. Doesn't, "Go ye into all the world," suggest that the gospel has a collective component?


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ringo
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Message 54 of 353 (837901)
08-10-2018 6:09 PM
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08-10-2018 5:43 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

If you want to prove socialism from the Bible you should start with the theocracy of Israel. I don't see socialism there, do you?


Jubillee.

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Message 56 of 353 (837903)
08-10-2018 6:13 PM
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08-10-2018 6:10 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Jubilee is a law of mercy, has nothing to do with socialism.


Mercy for debts. Redistribution of wealth. A check on rampant greed.

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ringo
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Message 59 of 353 (837908)
08-10-2018 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all...


Of course there is. Don't be silly. The whole point was to prevent people from being financially ruined forever. The money they would have paid was kept for their own (more productive) use.

Faith writes:

...no coercion as in socialistic systems that control everybody....


You're making a strawman of socialism.

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Message 60 of 353 (837909)
08-10-2018 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:15 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Yes a check on rampant greed, a NONSOCIALISTIC check on rampant greed.


Socialism done in a non-socialistic way? Or maybe you just have the wrong idea of what socialism is.

Edited by ringo, : spellinge


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Message 86 of 353 (837957)
08-11-2018 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:45 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

There wouldn't have been any money to be "kept" because they would have paid the debt if they'd had it.


There was labour, which is the same as money for most purposes. When their debts were forgiven, they were free to use their labour for their own (more productive) purposes, instead of making some fat cat even fatter.

Faith writes:

There are hybrid forms of socialism that are less totalitarian but the tendency of socialism is always toward totalitarian oppression in the hands of government.


You should make up your mind whether you're ranting against socialism "in general" or against just the totalitarian kind of socialism. When you said, "We don't need more socialists," which kind did you mean?

Faith writes:

It's the complete opposite of the concepts of personal freedom so hard-won over the centuries before the US Constitution aimed to establish such freedoms as a principle of governance.


On the contrary, it seems to be the lefty-types who are pushing for more freedom for blacks, women, homosexuals, etc.

Faith writes:

But as John Adams and others of the Founders said in various ways, our system of government can only work well for a religious and moral people, "it is wholly inadequate for the governing of any other."


They may have been right - but the kind of religion that you preach is thoroughly immoral.

Faith writes:

Well, we've been losing our character as a "religious and moral people" for quite some time now, well beyond the point where such freedoms can be safely granted and the corporate federation still hold together....


Y'see, you're the one who is saying we can't afford to "safely" grant freedoms any more. The real danger of totalitarian oppression is from your bunch.

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Message 87 of 353 (837958)
08-11-2018 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Faith
08-10-2018 7:10 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Faith writes:

Incorrectly used by the usual suspects here though, since not one word of that applies rightly to me.


It's better to be called a bigot than to be one. It's better to admit being a bigot than to deny it.

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Message 94 of 353 (837975)
08-11-2018 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Faith
08-11-2018 3:27 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Faith writes:

Multiculturalism is a Cultural Marxist wrecking ball, it is a sad parody of the idea of the "melting pot" which has entirely opposite consequences.


In Canada we think of it as a mosaic rather than a melting pot - i.e. the individual characteristics are preserved to a great extent. Much less "wrecking" involved.

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ringo
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Message 109 of 353 (838018)
08-12-2018 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
08-11-2018 3:51 PM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Faith writes:

The melting pot means learning and living by the great truths of western civilization....


We think of it as more of a salad than a stew. Healthier. And we're willing to learn as well as teach.

Faith writes:

How sad that this is no longer understood, how very very sad.


Your viewpoint is understood all to well. That's why we want to improve on it.

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ringo
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Message 110 of 353 (838020)
08-12-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Thugpreacha
08-12-2018 10:05 AM


Re: Multiculturalism is a Satan-inspired weapon for destroying Christian culture
Phat writes:

I have no problem with multiculturalism nor immigration provided it is regulated to some extent in order to preserve our middle class rather than force a bunch of old people to compete with a much younger world.


What kind of "regulation" do you want to preserve your privileges? Just keep everybody out who is willing and able to do your job better for less?

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